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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/defence/government_knows_about_whaling/#comment-9412</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@Mystie:&lt;/strong&gt; Ah but if the Rudd government is quivering in fear, why are we sending a ship to collect evidence? It actually seems they're being the &lt;em&gt;opposite&lt;/em&gt; of fearful -- they're actually doing something!

I don't give a damn about our "whale watching industry" either, to be frank. I call it the "whale harassment industry". As I've said in other contexts, I think Australia has a lot more to offer than being a place for the great unwashed to come and gawk at stuff while we stiff them for over-priced beers.

And as for Sea Shepherd, don't get me started! While the rhetoric of calling the Japanese whalers "pirates" is great for stirring the emotions of potential donors, the Japanese are working within the framework of the international rules -- like it or not! -- whereas Sea Shepherd are the ones ignoring the rules of safe navigation and putting the lives of mariners in peril.

I know who I'd attach the label "pirate" to: the bunch of self-righteous adrenalin-junkies with the vigilante complex.

For a similar reason, I no longer support Greenpeace. &lt;a href="http://oceans.greenpeace.org/en/the-expedition/news/whalers-ram-ship-111"&gt;Greenpeace say they were rammed by the whalers&lt;/a&gt;, but I don't see why they were within a nautical mile of another ship in such dangerous waters. It may satisfy the participants' need for feeling as if they're "taking action", but I suspect that it's less productive in terms of actually changing things.

Glad you've commented, though -- hope to hear more from you.

&lt;strong&gt;@Menkit:&lt;/strong&gt; The &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_class_patrol_boat"&gt;Bay class patrol boats&lt;/a&gt; do look rather useful, yes. Thanks for joining us.

&lt;strong&gt;@Richard:&lt;/strong&gt; I sometimes think the media commentators think an Antarctic surveillance mission is something akin to a trip on the Manly Ferry on a rough winter's day. And this only a short time after &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Explorer"&gt;the MS &lt;em&gt;Explorer&lt;/em&gt; sank after hitting an iceberg&lt;/a&gt;.

The other thing that seems to be forgotten is that if you actually want to &lt;em&gt;prosecute&lt;/em&gt; the Japanese you need &lt;em&gt;evidence&lt;/em&gt;. Stuff that'll stand up in an international court under cross-examination. It may not be as exciting as TV-shock images of whale flesh being flensed and blood in the water, but it's what eventually achieves the result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Mystie:</strong> Ah but if the Rudd government is quivering in fear, why are we sending a ship to collect evidence? It actually seems they&#8217;re being the <em>opposite</em> of fearful &#8212; they&#8217;re actually doing something!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t give a damn about our &#8220;whale watching industry&#8221; either, to be frank. I call it the &#8220;whale harassment industry&#8221;. As I&#8217;ve said in other contexts, I think Australia has a lot more to offer than being a place for the great unwashed to come and gawk at stuff while we stiff them for over-priced beers.</p>
<p>And as for Sea Shepherd, don&#8217;t get me started! While the rhetoric of calling the Japanese whalers &#8220;pirates&#8221; is great for stirring the emotions of potential donors, the Japanese are working within the framework of the international rules &#8212; like it or not! &#8212; whereas Sea Shepherd are the ones ignoring the rules of safe navigation and putting the lives of mariners in peril.</p>
<p>I know who I&#8217;d attach the label &#8220;pirate&#8221; to: the bunch of self-righteous adrenalin-junkies with the vigilante complex.</p>
<p>For a similar reason, I no longer support Greenpeace. <a href="http://oceans.greenpeace.org/en/the-expedition/news/whalers-ram-ship-111">Greenpeace say they were rammed by the whalers</a>, but I don&#8217;t see why they were within a nautical mile of another ship in such dangerous waters. It may satisfy the participants&#8217; need for feeling as if they&#8217;re &#8220;taking action&#8221;, but I suspect that it&#8217;s less productive in terms of actually changing things.</p>
<p>Glad you&#8217;ve commented, though &#8212; hope to hear more from you.</p>
<p><strong>@Menkit:</strong> The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_class_patrol_boat">Bay class patrol boats</a> do look rather useful, yes. Thanks for joining us.</p>
<p><strong>@Richard:</strong> I sometimes think the media commentators think an Antarctic surveillance mission is something akin to a trip on the Manly Ferry on a rough winter&#8217;s day. And this only a short time after <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Explorer">the MS <em>Explorer</em> sank after hitting an iceberg</a>.</p>
<p>The other thing that seems to be forgotten is that if you actually want to <em>prosecute</em> the Japanese you need <em>evidence</em>. Stuff that&#8217;ll stand up in an international court under cross-examination. It may not be as exciting as TV-shock images of whale flesh being flensed and blood in the water, but it&#8217;s what eventually achieves the result.</p>
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		<title>By: Mystie</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/defence/government_knows_about_whaling/#comment-9411</link>
		<dc:creator>Mystie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile the &lt;em&gt;Steve Irwin&lt;/em&gt; of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, is out there searching for the Japanese whale killers all alone in the silence. While the illegal Pirates of Profit are slaughtering happily away somewhere out there in the whale sanctuary without a care in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile the <em>Steve Irwin</em> of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, is out there searching for the Japanese whale killers all alone in the silence. While the illegal Pirates of Profit are slaughtering happily away somewhere out there in the whale sanctuary without a care in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/defence/government_knows_about_whaling/#comment-9409</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 23:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just read a comment elsewhere suggesting that, given Scandinavian gastronomic history, 'Oceanic Viking' may not be the best name for a ship on an anti-whaling mission....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just read a comment elsewhere suggesting that, given Scandinavian gastronomic history, &#8216;Oceanic Viking&#8217; may not be the best name for a ship on an anti-whaling mission&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/defence/government_knows_about_whaling/#comment-9407</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 23:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Navy has mounted successful operations against illegal fishing in the Southern Ocean since 1997 (Google 'Operation Dirk').  They're used to long-range deployments, and even then they've found it challenging.  If there are delays, let's remember this is a BIG undertaking.

However, I feel your fourth &#38; sixth paragraphs are spot-on.  Methinks many aspects of this job will never be publicised.

By the way, leasing (or even chartering) ships &#38; aircraft is common practice for Fisheries/Customs, and indeed the RAAF has leased many aircraft in recent years.  Leased assets do have their advantages, and I'd rather we leased stuff than bought garbage like the Seasprite outright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Navy has mounted successful operations against illegal fishing in the Southern Ocean since 1997 (Google &#8216;Operation Dirk&#8217;).  They&#8217;re used to long-range deployments, and even then they&#8217;ve found it challenging.  If there are delays, let&#8217;s remember this is a BIG undertaking.</p>
<p>However, I feel your fourth &amp; sixth paragraphs are spot-on.  Methinks many aspects of this job will never be publicised.</p>
<p>By the way, leasing (or even chartering) ships &amp; aircraft is common practice for Fisheries/Customs, and indeed the RAAF has leased many aircraft in recent years.  Leased assets do have their advantages, and I&#8217;d rather we leased stuff than bought garbage like the Seasprite outright.</p>
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		<title>By: Menkit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Menkit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 08:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We do. Our new Customs boats, are decently armed and the Govt has given approval that all reasonable force may be used in future. ie. they can shoot at them if they fail to comply with an order to stand to and stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do. Our new Customs boats, are decently armed and the Govt has given approval that all reasonable force may be used in future. ie. they can shoot at them if they fail to comply with an order to stand to and stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Mystie</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/defence/government_knows_about_whaling/#comment-9399</link>
		<dc:creator>Mystie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 06:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because dear boy, the new government is just as conservative as the last, and we are a quivering mass in our collective fear of these arrogant, Japanese economic bullies who don't give a damn about Australian concerns or about our whale watching industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because dear boy, the new government is just as conservative as the last, and we are a quivering mass in our collective fear of these arrogant, Japanese economic bullies who don&#8217;t give a damn about Australian concerns or about our whale watching industry.</p>
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