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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/enmore/greens_wont_win_marrickville/#comment-2820</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that info, Rae. Much appreciated.

To me, $200k doesn't sound a particularly big amount for design and approvals, especially since (IIRC) Newtown Station is a heritage building and there's so many players involved. With corporate or government work, it's usually the case that for every hour of "productive work" there's 3 or 4 hours of people discussing whether the work has been done.

What I don't understand is the simple series of facts that government buildings have been required by law to have wheelchair access since the 1980s, and the station is a government building -- so why wasn't this all sorted out two decades ago?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that info, Rae. Much appreciated.</p>
<p>To me, $200k doesn&#8217;t sound a particularly big amount for design and approvals, especially since (IIRC) Newtown Station is a heritage building and there&#8217;s so many players involved. With corporate or government work, it&#8217;s usually the case that for every hour of &#8220;productive work&#8221; there&#8217;s 3 or 4 hours of people discussing whether the work has been done.</p>
<p>What I don&#8217;t understand is the simple series of facts that government buildings have been required by law to have wheelchair access since the 1980s, and the station is a government building &#8212; so why wasn&#8217;t this all sorted out two decades ago?</p>
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		<title>By: rae</title>
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		<dc:creator>rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I'm a member of the newtown ALP branch, and I just thought i'd add a bit to the comment about the upgrade to newtown station. Yep, having a lift at Newtown station is blindingly obvious. Carmel has been working on getting the funding for it for the last 12 months. She's had the design work and cost analysis done and submitted to the state government for approval - which cost an amazing (well, amazing to me) $200,000. Thats basically because newtown station is so narrow and the grade is so steep there's a few engineering issues that have to be dealt with before lifts can be put in. Anyway, once its approved and the funding to do it comes through (which will hopefully be before the election in march) then the upgrade will begin. Of course, all this depends on govt and bureaucracy which we all know has a reputation for slowness, regardless of who's in power.

cheers,
rae</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I&#8217;m a member of the newtown ALP branch, and I just thought i&#8217;d add a bit to the comment about the upgrade to newtown station. Yep, having a lift at Newtown station is blindingly obvious. Carmel has been working on getting the funding for it for the last 12 months. She&#8217;s had the design work and cost analysis done and submitted to the state government for approval - which cost an amazing (well, amazing to me) $200,000. Thats basically because newtown station is so narrow and the grade is so steep there&#8217;s a few engineering issues that have to be dealt with before lifts can be put in. Anyway, once its approved and the funding to do it comes through (which will hopefully be before the election in march) then the upgrade will begin. Of course, all this depends on govt and bureaucracy which we all know has a reputation for slowness, regardless of who&#8217;s in power.</p>
<p>cheers,<br />
rae</p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/enmore/greens_wont_win_marrickville/#comment-2092</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 23:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Colin:&lt;/strong&gt; Thanks very much for the detailed comment.

The "personality politics" of equating friendliness with leadership potential is indeed "superficial", but that's the reality of the political environment. If a candidate wants to get elected, they need to work within that reality -- and that means projecting an engaging, friendly personality.

Fiona's challenge is that acting ethically, working hard and being motivated by ethical desires rather than a lust for power is all well and good -- but it doesn't get you elected. And you don't get to "make a difference" until you &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; elected.

I see this as a problem with "the left" in general, and it's similar to the point made in that anti-NeoCon bible, George Lakoff's &lt;a href="http://www.scribepublications.com.au/book/dontthinkofanelephant" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Don't Think of an Elephant&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;: those on the left are completely busy being nice people and helping the underdog to get around to deploying a long-term strategy which will actually let them &lt;em&gt;win&lt;/em&gt;.

(You can get the gist of Lakoff's arguments without forking out $22 on a very small, repetitive book by &lt;a href="http://www.chelseagreen.com/2004/items/elephant/Excerpt" rel="nofollow"&gt;downloading the free sampler&lt;/a&gt;.)

Some interesting points you raise there, too, and some of them I'll follow up... thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Colin:</strong> Thanks very much for the detailed comment.</p>
<p>The &#8220;personality politics&#8221; of equating friendliness with leadership potential is indeed &#8220;superficial&#8221;, but that&#8217;s the reality of the political environment. If a candidate wants to get elected, they need to work within that reality &#8212; and that means projecting an engaging, friendly personality.</p>
<p>Fiona&#8217;s challenge is that acting ethically, working hard and being motivated by ethical desires rather than a lust for power is all well and good &#8212; but it doesn&#8217;t get you elected. And you don&#8217;t get to &#8220;make a difference&#8221; until you <em>are</em> elected.</p>
<p>I see this as a problem with &#8220;the left&#8221; in general, and it&#8217;s similar to the point made in that anti-NeoCon bible, George Lakoff&#8217;s <a href="http://www.scribepublications.com.au/book/dontthinkofanelephant" ><em>Don&#8217;t Think of an Elephant</em></a>: those on the left are completely busy being nice people and helping the underdog to get around to deploying a long-term strategy which will actually let them <em>win</em>.</p>
<p>(You can get the gist of Lakoff&#8217;s arguments without forking out $22 on a very small, repetitive book by <a href="http://www.chelseagreen.com/2004/items/elephant/Excerpt" >downloading the free sampler</a>.)</p>
<p>Some interesting points you raise there, too, and some of them I&#8217;ll follow up&#8230; thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Hesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Hesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 06:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of us familiar enough with US politics we know the spin cycle that operates right down to the personal level of equating one to one friendliness with somehow being a leader of great vision and talent. Surely this is politics at its most superficial. 

As for the evening itself, it was promoted by the Neighbourhood Centre, not the political parties. Given the weight of topics discussed it was perhaps too polite, but if being polite is a fault then that's Fiona.

The night was notable perhaps for Carmel Tebbutt using figures or bureaucracy to not answer any topic of real concern.  For example, the Labor Party has announced a "scoping study" into the need for a lift at Newtown Station. That a lift is needed at Newtown and many other local stations is blindingly obvious, and yet no money has been committed to building at Newtown or elsewhere.

A question was asked about developer donations to political parties. Ms Tebbutt's response was not to engage with the ethics of this but to merely say she would follow the rules set out be her Government. Reassuring? 

 That is of course that the Labor Party and the Liberals will continue to take large sums of money from those with vested interests in everything from Harbour views to high rise development. Lovely stuff.

Ms Tebbutt it seems is also in favour of the desalination plant, or bottled electricity as former Premier Bob Carr correctly called it. Ms Tebbutt also obfuscated on same sex marriage, child care, train timetables and indeed most other things. 

That Ms Tebbutt can take a brief is not in doubt. That she is not prepared to offer even the mildest criticism or apology for the many gross failures of the Government of which she is part was maybe not a surprise, but it doesn't fill me with hope that a re-elected Labor Government is capable of improvement. 

The only thing you could say in the ALP's favour at the end of the night was that the Liberal candidate was unable to answer a significant question beyond his own name, and offers demonstrable proof that a Liberal Government would be worse. 

As I'm also a Greens Councillor on Marrickville Council with Fiona I've got to know that Fiona acts ethically, works hard and has a passion for making this place a better one, and I also know she's motivated not by power but by the desire to see a more ethical and sustainable society. 

If the worst thing we are is dull, then so be it. I think Fiona is serious enough to take the business of Government seriously, and surely that's all anyone can reasonably ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of us familiar enough with US politics we know the spin cycle that operates right down to the personal level of equating one to one friendliness with somehow being a leader of great vision and talent. Surely this is politics at its most superficial. </p>
<p>As for the evening itself, it was promoted by the Neighbourhood Centre, not the political parties. Given the weight of topics discussed it was perhaps too polite, but if being polite is a fault then that&#8217;s Fiona.</p>
<p>The night was notable perhaps for Carmel Tebbutt using figures or bureaucracy to not answer any topic of real concern.  For example, the Labor Party has announced a &#8220;scoping study&#8221; into the need for a lift at Newtown Station. That a lift is needed at Newtown and many other local stations is blindingly obvious, and yet no money has been committed to building at Newtown or elsewhere.</p>
<p>A question was asked about developer donations to political parties. Ms Tebbutt&#8217;s response was not to engage with the ethics of this but to merely say she would follow the rules set out be her Government. Reassuring? </p>
<p> That is of course that the Labor Party and the Liberals will continue to take large sums of money from those with vested interests in everything from Harbour views to high rise development. Lovely stuff.</p>
<p>Ms Tebbutt it seems is also in favour of the desalination plant, or bottled electricity as former Premier Bob Carr correctly called it. Ms Tebbutt also obfuscated on same sex marriage, child care, train timetables and indeed most other things. </p>
<p>That Ms Tebbutt can take a brief is not in doubt. That she is not prepared to offer even the mildest criticism or apology for the many gross failures of the Government of which she is part was maybe not a surprise, but it doesn&#8217;t fill me with hope that a re-elected Labor Government is capable of improvement. </p>
<p>The only thing you could say in the ALP&#8217;s favour at the end of the night was that the Liberal candidate was unable to answer a significant question beyond his own name, and offers demonstrable proof that a Liberal Government would be worse. </p>
<p>As I&#8217;m also a Greens Councillor on Marrickville Council with Fiona I&#8217;ve got to know that Fiona acts ethically, works hard and has a passion for making this place a better one, and I also know she&#8217;s motivated not by power but by the desire to see a more ethical and sustainable society. </p>
<p>If the worst thing we are is dull, then so be it. I think Fiona is serious enough to take the business of Government seriously, and surely that&#8217;s all anyone can reasonably ask.</p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 21:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone else has pointed out that the end of my main posting makes it look like I want The Greens to win. No, I don't, particularly.

I think it'd be interesting for parliament to have a wider range of views, though, rather than the "Me too! Me too!" copy-cats of the ALP and the Coalition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone else has pointed out that the end of my main posting makes it look like I want The Greens to win. No, I don&#8217;t, particularly.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;d be interesting for parliament to have a wider range of views, though, rather than the &#8220;Me too! Me too!&#8221; copy-cats of the ALP and the Coalition.</p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 21:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone who was at the forum tells me:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Fiona Byrne was very dull.

The real highlight was when the &lt;a href="http://www.sep.org.au/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Socialist Equality Party&lt;/a&gt; candidate got stuck into the &lt;a href="http://www.socialist-alliance.org/sydney/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Socialist Alliance&lt;/a&gt;, describing it as a middle class movement.

So pleased that the Judean People's Liberation Front is still with us.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

One person's opinion only, of course... and the links were added by me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone who was at the forum tells me:</p>
<blockquote><p>Fiona Byrne was very dull.</p>
<p>The real highlight was when the <a href="http://www.sep.org.au/" rel="nofollow">Socialist Equality Party</a> candidate got stuck into the <a href="http://www.socialist-alliance.org/sydney/" >Socialist Alliance</a>, describing it as a middle class movement.</p>
<p>So pleased that the Judean People&#8217;s Liberation Front is still with us.</p></blockquote>
<p>One person&#8217;s opinion only, of course&#8230; and the links were added by me.</p>
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