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	<description>All publication is a political act. All communication is propaganda. All art is pornography. All business is personal. All hail Eris.</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 02:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Should You Hire Workaholics For Your Startup? &#124; Fantasy Food</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/human-nature/treat_staff/#comment-12746</link>
		<dc:creator>Should You Hire Workaholics For Your Startup? &#124; Fantasy Food</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 16:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to have reacted so negatively to was Jason&#8217;s point about hiring workaholics. He had so much negative feedback, he actually changed the item in his list: Fire people who are not workaholics. don&#8217;t love [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to have reacted so negatively to was Jason&#8217;s point about hiring workaholics. He had so much negative feedback, he actually changed the item in his list: Fire people who are not workaholics. don&#8217;t love [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kontroverse Tipps für Startups um Geld einzusparen &#124; Wuensch-Media.de</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/human-nature/treat_staff/#comment-11552</link>
		<dc:creator>Kontroverse Tipps für Startups um Geld einzusparen &#124; Wuensch-Media.de</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] der zur Zeit sehr kontrovers in der englischsprachigen Blogszene diskutiert wird (1, 2, 3, 4, 5).   Doch zuerst zusammengefasst zu seinen Aussagen. Calacanis bezieht sich mit seinen Spartipps [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] der zur Zeit sehr kontrovers in der englischsprachigen Blogszene diskutiert wird (1, 2, 3, 4, 5).   Doch zuerst zusammengefasst zu seinen Aussagen. Calacanis bezieht sich mit seinen Spartipps [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Calacanis post really fired it up &#171; George Stefas&#8217; Blog</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/human-nature/treat_staff/#comment-11520</link>
		<dc:creator>Calacanis post really fired it up &#171; George Stefas&#8217; Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] everyone is entitled to his/hers own opinion I have to say that a certain response really made me feel relieved that I do care if my belly has become increasingly prone to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: History Of Blogging &#187; Should You Hire Workaholics For Your Startup?</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/human-nature/treat_staff/#comment-11517</link>
		<dc:creator>History Of Blogging &#187; Should You Hire Workaholics For Your Startup?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to have reacted so negatively to was Jason&#8217;s point about hiring workaholics. He had so much negative feedback, he actually changed the item in his list: Fire people who are not workaholics. don&#8217;t love [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to have reacted so negatively to was Jason&#8217;s point about hiring workaholics. He had so much negative feedback, he actually changed the item in his list: Fire people who are not workaholics. don&#8217;t love [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Madison - &#187; A new perspective on startups?</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/human-nature/treat_staff/#comment-11515</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Madison - &#187; A new perspective on startups?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] do you treat your staff? Like 37signals, or like this prick?&#8221; was the question posed by Stilgherrian of Skank Media. Sean Coon of DotMatrixProject set up Jason to look like a hypocrite by taking a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] do you treat your staff? Like 37signals, or like this prick?&#8221; was the question posed by Stilgherrian of Skank Media. Sean Coon of DotMatrixProject set up Jason to look like a hypocrite by taking a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Seattle Startup Life &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Life at a startup.</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/human-nature/treat_staff/#comment-11487</link>
		<dc:creator>Seattle Startup Life &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Life at a startup.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The dialogue and banter has been documented endlessly here (techcrunch v.1), here (Techcrunch v2), here (37 Signals), here, and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Valuable Financial Advice for Startups - Sugarrae</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/human-nature/treat_staff/#comment-11486</link>
		<dc:creator>Valuable Financial Advice for Startups - Sugarrae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you're new here, you may want to subscribe to my feed or subscribe to me on Twitter, which is updated on a more frequent - and more meaningless - basis.I stumbled across a Techcrunch post about how startups need to manage money and hiring processes or risk failing that came as a result of a post by Jason Calacanis about how startups can save money that was then sensationalized and heavily criticized. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If you&#8217;re new here, you may want to subscribe to my feed or subscribe to me on Twitter, which is updated on a more frequent - and more meaningless - basis.I stumbled across a Techcrunch post about how startups need to manage money and hiring processes or risk failing that came as a result of a post by Jason Calacanis about how startups can save money that was then sensationalized and heavily criticized. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Should You Hire Workaholics For Your Startup?</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/human-nature/treat_staff/#comment-11485</link>
		<dc:creator>Should You Hire Workaholics For Your Startup?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to have reacted so negatively to was Jason&#8217;s point about hiring workaholics. He had so much negative feedback, he actually changed the item in his list: Fire people who are not workaholics. don&#8217;t love [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/human-nature/treat_staff/#comment-11476</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@Beto:&lt;/strong&gt; That is precisely it! Thank you. I have no issue with people being passionate about what they do, because at one level it confirms their sincerity. Both Jasons have passion, certainly.

What concerns me, and what triggered my follow-ups, is that JCal seems to confuse "passion" with "relentlessness", "determination" with "disregard for humanity". Yes, he focuses on that goal of the IPO, but at what cost? He'd say that's the cost of going for the goal. I'd say that if that's the case, and that all you get at the end of it is money and heart disease, then it's not worth it.

I accept that he's wired differently, and as he himself said in a comment somewhere, that's the way he is. He's compelled to it. Passion = compulsion, after all. But then serial killers and pedophiles say that too.

As I say, thank you for clearly describing the difference between the two attitudes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Beto:</strong> That is precisely it! Thank you. I have no issue with people being passionate about what they do, because at one level it confirms their sincerity. Both Jasons have passion, certainly.</p>
<p>What concerns me, and what triggered my follow-ups, is that JCal seems to confuse &#8220;passion&#8221; with &#8220;relentlessness&#8221;, &#8220;determination&#8221; with &#8220;disregard for humanity&#8221;. Yes, he focuses on that goal of the IPO, but at what cost? He&#8217;d say that&#8217;s the cost of going for the goal. I&#8217;d say that if that&#8217;s the case, and that all you get at the end of it is money and heart disease, then it&#8217;s not worth it.</p>
<p>I accept that he&#8217;s wired differently, and as he himself said in a comment somewhere, that&#8217;s the way he is. He&#8217;s compelled to it. Passion = compulsion, after all. But then serial killers and pedophiles say that too.</p>
<p>As I say, thank you for clearly describing the difference between the two attitudes.</p>
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		<title>By: Beto</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I'm starting to get why both Jasons say what they are saying.

Let's start with Mr. Calacanis. Putting his farfetched pieces of advice aside (which sound like coming from a mad beancounter turned CEO, most of them) , it is obvious the man is passionate about his work, so much as to not mind working 14 hours a day and weekends to boot. The problem comes when he expects his employees to be as invested in their job as he is. They're not, and they will never be. If you are not working for yourself, it is not a secret nor heresy that in order of priorities, it's the payment check what comes in first and passion for your work second. And that there's a big difference between working long hours because you *want* to and doing it because you *have* to.

Jason from 37s shows us the opposite side. You may think that by giving so many liberties to their staff they are playing with fire (like, leave a rotten apple to spoil the whole barrel), but truth is, besides being a small team, Jason has an iron-fisted control over who comes in and out of 37s so they already know the profile of their colleagues very, very well so they can try these things with confidence. Not to mention one of the main perks of being small (and successful!) is to be able to afford these kind of liberties with minimal risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;m starting to get why both Jasons say what they are saying.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s start with Mr. Calacanis. Putting his farfetched pieces of advice aside (which sound like coming from a mad beancounter turned CEO, most of them) , it is obvious the man is passionate about his work, so much as to not mind working 14 hours a day and weekends to boot. The problem comes when he expects his employees to be as invested in their job as he is. They&#8217;re not, and they will never be. If you are not working for yourself, it is not a secret nor heresy that in order of priorities, it&#8217;s the payment check what comes in first and passion for your work second. And that there&#8217;s a big difference between working long hours because you *want* to and doing it because you *have* to.</p>
<p>Jason from 37s shows us the opposite side. You may think that by giving so many liberties to their staff they are playing with fire (like, leave a rotten apple to spoil the whole barrel), but truth is, besides being a small team, Jason has an iron-fisted control over who comes in and out of 37s so they already know the profile of their colleagues very, very well so they can try these things with confidence. Not to mention one of the main perks of being small (and successful!) is to be able to afford these kind of liberties with minimal risk.</p>
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		<title>By: Yoese团队日志 &#187; 新創網路公司的18條省錢大法</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/human-nature/treat_staff/#comment-11457</link>
		<dc:creator>Yoese团队日志 &#187; 新創網路公司的18條省錢大法</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 07:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 問題是，Calacanis這麼一篇「省錢文章」，題目蠻討好，怎麼會招來這麼多人反彈？因為Calacanis的態度是，靠，網路的新創公司(startup)，一定要省錢、大家拚命工作！這感覺很像「軍隊」，有幾個字，Calacanis用得過火了，於是，幾乎所有的部落格都圍繞在這個傢伙的「態度」上攻擊，有的滿口仁義的說，嗯，公司應該要對員工好（Calacanis並沒有對員工不好啊？）有的直接與37Signals相比。批評Calacanis的許多人，顯然並沒有了解到網路的殘酷。真正的看到之前的網路淘汰率多快的，就不會這樣放重點。大部份網站，做的不是37Signals這類產品。在微軟、Oracle、思科，這些人可以繼續「說得一口好管理」，慢慢的創立出一套好偉大的系統，但在網路公司，時間不夠，時間不夠，時間不夠！人過來就是要戰鬥，所有的錢都集中在「戰鬥」這檔事上面。我們不是賺那一點點的產品賣價，我們要賺的是一次十億的Freemium會員費，甚至未來作單產品賣出的百億台幣的併購案。 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 問題是，Calacanis這麼一篇「省錢文章」，題目蠻討好，怎麼會招來這麼多人反彈？因為Calacanis的態度是，靠，網路的新創公司(startup)，一定要省錢、大家拚命工作！這感覺很像「軍隊」，有幾個字，Calacanis用得過火了，於是，幾乎所有的部落格都圍繞在這個傢伙的「態度」上攻擊，有的滿口仁義的說，嗯，公司應該要對員工好（Calacanis並沒有對員工不好啊？）有的直接與37Signals相比。批評Calacanis的許多人，顯然並沒有了解到網路的殘酷。真正的看到之前的網路淘汰率多快的，就不會這樣放重點。大部份網站，做的不是37Signals這類產品。在微軟、Oracle、思科，這些人可以繼續「說得一口好管理」，慢慢的創立出一套好偉大的系統，但在網路公司，時間不夠，時間不夠，時間不夠！人過來就是要戰鬥，所有的錢都集中在「戰鬥」這檔事上面。我們不是賺那一點點的產品賣價，我們要賺的是一次十億的Freemium會員費，甚至未來作單產品賣出的百億台幣的併購案。 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Henshaw&#8217;s Hog Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My top 5 for running a tech startup</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/human-nature/treat_staff/#comment-11456</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Henshaw&#8217;s Hog Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My top 5 for running a tech startup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 07:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] relies heavily on 37signals&#8217; Basecamp product, so I already have an affinity for those cats). Stilgherrian went on a tear in response to some of the ideas. Finally, Mark Cuban followed up with his light-hearted Couple of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] relies heavily on 37signals&#8217; Basecamp product, so I already have an affinity for those cats). Stilgherrian went on a tear in response to some of the ideas. Finally, Mark Cuban followed up with his light-hearted Couple of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Start-up Advice Weekend &#171; History Will Absolve Me</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/human-nature/treat_staff/#comment-11449</link>
		<dc:creator>Start-up Advice Weekend &#171; History Will Absolve Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] good; however, a few of his comments really set-off a firestorm in the blogopshere (here, here, here, and here). In particular, &#8220;Fire people who aren&#8217;t workaholics&#8230;come on folks, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] good; however, a few of his comments really set-off a firestorm in the blogopshere (here, here, here, and here). In particular, &#8220;Fire people who aren&#8217;t workaholics&#8230;come on folks, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: How to run it right - with Jason and Co. &#171; A private Blog from Michael Jung.</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/human-nature/treat_staff/#comment-11446</link>
		<dc:creator>How to run it right - with Jason and Co. &#171; A private Blog from Michael Jung.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] am not proclaiming that everything is black and white - it&#8217;s more like grey in various shadings and other approaches might work too. But it depends more on what budget you have and how far your [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] am not proclaiming that everything is black and white - it&#8217;s more like grey in various shadings and other approaches might work too. But it depends more on what budget you have and how far your [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/human-nature/treat_staff/#comment-11443</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 23:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@Marcos Gonzalez:&lt;/strong&gt; Wow, you've hit quite a few blogs with that comment, eh? ;)

&lt;strong&gt;@Bill Moore:&lt;/strong&gt; Your first paragraph is a bit confusing, I can't quite make out the "three groups" clearly. However in my case you're wrong: I don't lack knowledge of the "reality" of start-ups -- been there, done that, have the medical bills -- I just think that "reality" is &lt;em&gt;very, very wrong&lt;/em&gt;.

"Dedication" is &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; the same as workaholism or exploitation, as 37signals' DHH has explained.

As for not being happy with 15% of $100M, I've worked that into &lt;a href="http://stilgherrian.com/religion/john_calacanis_evil_cult/"&gt;my follow-up piece&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;strong&gt;@George Jilivik:&lt;/strong&gt; A cheap shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Marcos Gonzalez:</strong> Wow, you&#8217;ve hit quite a few blogs with that comment, eh? <img src='http://stilgherrian.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><strong>@Bill Moore:</strong> Your first paragraph is a bit confusing, I can&#8217;t quite make out the &#8220;three groups&#8221; clearly. However in my case you&#8217;re wrong: I don&#8217;t lack knowledge of the &#8220;reality&#8221; of start-ups &#8212; been there, done that, have the medical bills &#8212; I just think that &#8220;reality&#8221; is <em>very, very wrong</em>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Dedication&#8221; is <em>not</em> the same as workaholism or exploitation, as 37signals&#8217; DHH has explained.</p>
<p>As for not being happy with 15% of $100M, I&#8217;ve worked that into <a href="http://stilgherrian.com/religion/john_calacanis_evil_cult/">my follow-up piece</a>.</p>
<p><strong>@George Jilivik:</strong> A cheap shot.</p>
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