Comments on: I’ve had it with dodgy “web designers” http://stilgherrian.com/internet/dodgy_web_designers/ All publication is a political act. All communication is propaganda. All art is pornography. All business is personal. All hail Eris. Vive le poisson rouge sauvages! Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:21:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Stilgherrian http://stilgherrian.com/internet/dodgy_web_designers/#comment-5456 Stilgherrian Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:52:40 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/internet/dodgy_web_designers/#comment-5456 <strong>@jason:</strong> You're right, best to keep the visual design and coding roles separate, as very few people combine the skills. One of the problems with this particular project is that the designer isn't as familiar with the web as the ideal scenario would require -- but she's smart and absorbs things well, so it's only a minor glitch. Congrats on getting the work -- and now I'm wondering, which Jason are you again? It's been a mystery so far... @jason: You’re right, best to keep the visual design and coding roles separate, as very few people combine the skills.

One of the problems with this particular project is that the designer isn’t as familiar with the web as the ideal scenario would require — but she’s smart and absorbs things well, so it’s only a minor glitch.

Congrats on getting the work — and now I’m wondering, which Jason are you again? It’s been a mystery so far…

]]> By: jason http://stilgherrian.com/internet/dodgy_web_designers/#comment-5447 jason Fri, 20 Apr 2007 05:36:40 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/internet/dodgy_web_designers/#comment-5447 It's increasingly popular to wedge a xhtml/css person between your backend and designer. A very wise move, cos it solidifies the roles and stops developers from thinking they can design, and visa versa. Have found a lot of work in that field recently, myself. It’s increasingly popular to wedge a xhtml/css person between your backend and designer. A very wise move, cos it solidifies the roles and stops developers from thinking they can design, and visa versa. Have found a lot of work in that field recently, myself.

]]> By: Stilgherrian http://stilgherrian.com/internet/dodgy_web_designers/#comment-5412 Stilgherrian Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:12:11 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/internet/dodgy_web_designers/#comment-5412 <strong>@Quadrapop:</strong> You're right, the "correct" business process is just to pass on any costs to the client. However my gripe isn't so much about having to work a particular way, but about having told the client I'm not the man for the job -- but still being pressured to do it. In hindsight, a fortnight ago I should have been more direct in my communication: a plain-speaking "No" rather than "I'm probably not right for this." There's a lesson in itself. @Quadrapop: You’re right, the “correct” business process is just to pass on any costs to the client. However my gripe isn’t so much about having to work a particular way, but about having told the client I’m not the man for the job — but still being pressured to do it.

In hindsight, a fortnight ago I should have been more direct in my communication: a plain-speaking “No” rather than “I’m probably not right for this.” There’s a lesson in itself.

]]> By: quadrapop http://stilgherrian.com/internet/dodgy_web_designers/#comment-5404 quadrapop Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:09:37 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/internet/dodgy_web_designers/#comment-5404 in scenario 2 I'd tell the client "sure i'll do it, but there will be in increase in my fee to the tune of the contract for the person with the necessary skills plus my time for finding them, not to mention the time extension required to implement the new style of work..." hip pocket -- works every time when you don't want to do something... and if they bite, at least the job has a chance of being done properly. in scenario 2 I’d tell the client “sure i’ll do it, but there will be in increase in my fee to the tune of the contract for the person with the necessary skills plus my time for finding them, not to mention the time extension required to implement the new style of work…”

hip pocket — works every time when you don’t want to do something… and if they bite, at least the job has a chance of being done properly.

]]> By: Stilgherrian http://stilgherrian.com/internet/dodgy_web_designers/#comment-5395 Stilgherrian Wed, 18 Apr 2007 04:49:34 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/internet/dodgy_web_designers/#comment-5395 Ah, Richard, it's such a classic scenario, no? This has also kicked off a <a href="http://mailman.anu.edu.au/pipermail/link/2007-April/073377.html" rel="nofollow">fascinating if slightly heated discussion</a> on the Link mailing list. Ah, Richard, it’s such a classic scenario, no?

This has also kicked off a fascinating if slightly heated discussion on the Link mailing list.

]]> By: Richard http://stilgherrian.com/internet/dodgy_web_designers/#comment-5394 Richard Wed, 18 Apr 2007 04:06:57 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/internet/dodgy_web_designers/#comment-5394 'Incident 2' is painfully close to my recent experiences with a certain employer. ‘Incident 2′ is painfully close to my recent experiences with a certain employer.

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