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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/internet/google-rank-and-website-basics-a-practical-example/#comment-20628</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 01:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the feedback and suggestions, we&#039;ll speak to the developers and try to get a more interactive holding page up that allows us to make changes on the fly...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the feedback and suggestions, we&#8217;ll speak to the developers and try to get a more interactive holding page up that allows us to make changes on the fly&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 22:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow you really care about your volleys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow you really care about your volleys.</p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/internet/google-rank-and-website-basics-a-practical-example/#comment-20335</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 21:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@Kate:&lt;/strong&gt; Personally, I think the trick is just to be as transparent as possible, revealing specifically what you know and using concrete nouns. What kind of &quot;update&quot; and what kind of &quot;soon&quot;.

You had the core of it in your comment: &quot;Redeploy the whole site as changes were made across multiple platforms to fix an error&quot;. Just translate that out of corporate-speak like &quot;redeploy&quot; and &quot;multiple systems&quot; into the language of your target audience. And say where the information is coming from.

Compare:

&lt;blockquote&gt;http://www.findmyshoes.com.au is being updated and is offline temporarily. Please come back soon!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

with:

&lt;blockquote&gt;9am Monday: Something went wrong overnight and broke computer systems all through our business. Shopping carts are going &quot;missing&quot;. We&#039;ve taken http://www.findmyshoes.com.au offline until we&#039;re sure it&#039;s fixed properly. We don&#039;t know exactly how long for yet, but the web developers looked worried. They said they&#039;d have a better idea in a hour or two -- so maybe check back this afternoon.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

and then:

&lt;blockquote&gt;10.15am Monday: Aha! Our web developers have found the problem. An automatic software update went wrong, so now they&#039;re fixing it manually. They reckon we&#039;ll have http://www.findmyshoes.com.au back online before midday Melbourne time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If something&#039;s broken, &lt;em&gt;say&lt;/em&gt; it&#039;s broken and say what you&#039;re doing to fix it. None of these vague weasel-words like &quot;issue&quot; and &quot;difficulty&quot; and &quot;update&quot;. Use the same language you&#039;d use to a friend who wasn&#039;t in you business.

Lawyers hate this language, because it&#039;s being specific and to them it sounds like you&#039;re making a commitment. Indeed, corporations generally seem to find it hard to use concrete language. But that&#039;s what builds trust: facts, and a recognisably human tone of voice from a recognisable human.

This is the kind of thing I covered in &lt;a href=&quot;http://stilgherrian.com/internet/the-importance-of-authenticity/&quot;&gt;The Importance of Authenticity&lt;/a&gt;, the whole &quot;being human&quot; thing. But I&#039;ll stop there, otherwise Joseph will complain about something. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Kate:</strong> Personally, I think the trick is just to be as transparent as possible, revealing specifically what you know and using concrete nouns. What kind of &#8220;update&#8221; and what kind of &#8220;soon&#8221;.</p>
<p>You had the core of it in your comment: &#8220;Redeploy the whole site as changes were made across multiple platforms to fix an error&#8221;. Just translate that out of corporate-speak like &#8220;redeploy&#8221; and &#8220;multiple systems&#8221; into the language of your target audience. And say where the information is coming from.</p>
<p>Compare:</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.findmyshoes.com.au" >http://www.findmyshoes.com.au</a> is being updated and is offline temporarily. Please come back soon!</p></blockquote>
<p>with:</p>
<blockquote><p>9am Monday: Something went wrong overnight and broke computer systems all through our business. Shopping carts are going &#8220;missing&#8221;. We&#8217;ve taken <a href="http://www.findmyshoes.com.au" >http://www.findmyshoes.com.au</a> offline until we&#8217;re sure it&#8217;s fixed properly. We don&#8217;t know exactly how long for yet, but the web developers looked worried. They said they&#8217;d have a better idea in a hour or two &#8212; so maybe check back this afternoon.</p></blockquote>
<p>and then:</p>
<blockquote><p>10.15am Monday: Aha! Our web developers have found the problem. An automatic software update went wrong, so now they&#8217;re fixing it manually. They reckon we&#8217;ll have <a href="http://www.findmyshoes.com.au" >http://www.findmyshoes.com.au</a> back online before midday Melbourne time.</p></blockquote>
<p>If something&#8217;s broken, <em>say</em> it&#8217;s broken and say what you&#8217;re doing to fix it. None of these vague weasel-words like &#8220;issue&#8221; and &#8220;difficulty&#8221; and &#8220;update&#8221;. Use the same language you&#8217;d use to a friend who wasn&#8217;t in you business.</p>
<p>Lawyers hate this language, because it&#8217;s being specific and to them it sounds like you&#8217;re making a commitment. Indeed, corporations generally seem to find it hard to use concrete language. But that&#8217;s what builds trust: facts, and a recognisably human tone of voice from a recognisable human.</p>
<p>This is the kind of thing I covered in <a href="http://stilgherrian.com/internet/the-importance-of-authenticity/">The Importance of Authenticity</a>, the whole &#8220;being human&#8221; thing. But I&#8217;ll stop there, otherwise Joseph will complain about something. <img src='http://stilgherrian.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/internet/google-rank-and-website-basics-a-practical-example/#comment-20343</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 21:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@Kate Richardson:&lt;/strong&gt; I don&#039;t care all &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; much. They were really just an example to make a point about website design. However the conversation has taken on a life of its own, I&#039;m enjoying it, so it continues.

On reflection, it&#039;s not so much that I love Dunlop Volleys but that I dread the thought of having to shop around for something else should they not be available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Kate Richardson:</strong> I don&#8217;t care all <em>that</em> much. They were really just an example to make a point about website design. However the conversation has taken on a life of its own, I&#8217;m enjoying it, so it continues.</p>
<p>On reflection, it&#8217;s not so much that I love Dunlop Volleys but that I dread the thought of having to shop around for something else should they not be available.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/internet/google-rank-and-website-basics-a-practical-example/#comment-20108</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 02:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Garth &amp; Stil: We had to redeploy the whole site as changes were made across multiple platforms to fix an error. 

As we don&#039;t know the time frame for the site to be down, any other suggestions as to what the holding page should show?

At any rate, we&#039;re up and running again now for those interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Garth &amp; Stil: We had to redeploy the whole site as changes were made across multiple platforms to fix an error. </p>
<p>As we don&#8217;t know the time frame for the site to be down, any other suggestions as to what the holding page should show?</p>
<p>At any rate, we&#8217;re up and running again now for those interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/internet/google-rank-and-website-basics-a-practical-example/#comment-20080</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 00:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@madcom:&lt;/strong&gt; I get what you&#039;re saying. Maybe it&#039;s a left-brain right-brain thing. When I look at the shoe&#039;s value to me, it&#039;s about practicalities like comfort, price and durability. When I talk about brands, personally I think of that as my emotional response and how associating myself with that brand as a tribal marker enhances my self-esteem, or whatever.

But is left-brain practical value also &quot;the brand&quot;? I guess after a series of good experiences with a specific product, I&#039;ll be more likely to trust the brand, and would consider them if they also offered a product in a different category. &quot;Well, their shoes were good, so I&#039;ll give their t-shirts a go.&quot;

In that sense, then, it is indeed impossible to separate the product from the brand. The association will have been made in my brain -- and our brains to jumble up all those responses.

I like the &quot;cognitive dissonance&quot; angle. And yes, that was precisely how I started my piece:

&lt;blockquote&gt;[T]he Dunlop Volley Classic tennis shoe... Comfortable. Practical. Cheap... Thing is, the Volley website... exhibits everything but those attributes. Fail.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I do like how discussions in blog comments help clarify understanding. Unlike drive-by flamers...

&lt;strong&gt;@Garth Roxburgh-Kidd:&lt;/strong&gt; The other problem with that message is the &quot;soon&quot;. Is that &quot;soon&quot; as in minutes, hours or days? You&#039;re right, there are other shops open if that one&#039;s unclear about when it&#039;ll be back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@madcom:</strong> I get what you&#8217;re saying. Maybe it&#8217;s a left-brain right-brain thing. When I look at the shoe&#8217;s value to me, it&#8217;s about practicalities like comfort, price and durability. When I talk about brands, personally I think of that as my emotional response and how associating myself with that brand as a tribal marker enhances my self-esteem, or whatever.</p>
<p>But is left-brain practical value also &#8220;the brand&#8221;? I guess after a series of good experiences with a specific product, I&#8217;ll be more likely to trust the brand, and would consider them if they also offered a product in a different category. &#8220;Well, their shoes were good, so I&#8217;ll give their t-shirts a go.&#8221;</p>
<p>In that sense, then, it is indeed impossible to separate the product from the brand. The association will have been made in my brain &#8212; and our brains to jumble up all those responses.</p>
<p>I like the &#8220;cognitive dissonance&#8221; angle. And yes, that was precisely how I started my piece:</p>
<blockquote><p>[T]he Dunlop Volley Classic tennis shoe&#8230; Comfortable. Practical. Cheap&#8230; Thing is, the Volley website&#8230; exhibits everything but those attributes. Fail.</p></blockquote>
<p>I do like how discussions in blog comments help clarify understanding. Unlike drive-by flamers&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>@Garth Roxburgh-Kidd:</strong> The other problem with that message is the &#8220;soon&#8221;. Is that &#8220;soon&#8221; as in minutes, hours or days? You&#8217;re right, there are other shops open if that one&#8217;s unclear about when it&#8217;ll be back.</p>
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		<title>By: Garth Roxburgh-Kidd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garth Roxburgh-Kidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 00:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought I&#039;d check them out, but all I found was &lt;a href=&quot;http://img.skitch.com/20090518-gk49qbpcuqr8c4decq48fdbe4a.png&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;www.findmyshoes.com.au is being updated and is offline temporarily. Please come back soon!&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Uh, no. I won&#039;t. Sorry. 

“Please come back soon” works for some companies. Apple, for example, seems to have trained its customers to desperately want to know what they&#039;re about to release. When Apple takes its store down, their countless fan blog authors hit “Refresh” once a second for as long as required to be first to brag they&#039;ve seen it and report on what changed. I don&#039;t think the downtime hurts Apple that much. 

I don&#039;t think an online shoe shop commands the same kind of reaction when it takes its store down. People just go elsewhere. Hence, the multitude of well-established techniques for updating web sites without having to hide under an “Under Construction” sign for an hour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I&#8217;d check them out, but all I found was <a href="http://img.skitch.com/20090518-gk49qbpcuqr8c4decq48fdbe4a.png">this</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.findmyshoes.com.au" >http://www.findmyshoes.com.au</a> is being updated and is offline temporarily. Please come back soon!</p></blockquote>
<p>Uh, no. I won&#8217;t. Sorry. </p>
<p>“Please come back soon” works for some companies. Apple, for example, seems to have trained its customers to desperately want to know what they&#8217;re about to release. When Apple takes its store down, their countless fan blog authors hit “Refresh” once a second for as long as required to be first to brag they&#8217;ve seen it and report on what changed. I don&#8217;t think the downtime hurts Apple that much. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think an online shoe shop commands the same kind of reaction when it takes its store down. People just go elsewhere. Hence, the multitude of well-established techniques for updating web sites without having to hide under an “Under Construction” sign for an hour.</p>
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		<title>By: madcom</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/internet/google-rank-and-website-basics-a-practical-example/#comment-20070</link>
		<dc:creator>madcom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 00:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point, a bit too briefly made perhaps, is that you bought the shoes because of their known value to you -- is not that the brand? Isn&#039;t the job of marketing to reinforce that value relationship? An agency should be used to reinforce that message.

My favourite bit of theory, partly because of the pseudo-gravitas of the phrase is, cognitive dissonance. You can&#039;t get away with calling a sow&#039;s ear a silk purse. I guess, putting words in your mouth, that you were annoyed that the silk purse was being marketed like a pig&#039;s ear online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point, a bit too briefly made perhaps, is that you bought the shoes because of their known value to you &#8212; is not that the brand? Isn&#8217;t the job of marketing to reinforce that value relationship? An agency should be used to reinforce that message.</p>
<p>My favourite bit of theory, partly because of the pseudo-gravitas of the phrase is, cognitive dissonance. You can&#8217;t get away with calling a sow&#8217;s ear a silk purse. I guess, putting words in your mouth, that you were annoyed that the silk purse was being marketed like a pig&#8217;s ear online.</p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/internet/google-rank-and-website-basics-a-practical-example/#comment-20071</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 23:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@Joseph:&lt;/strong&gt; By all means call my commentary &quot;immature&quot;, that&#039;s your prerogative as a drive-by flamer -- though it contributes little to the discussion, playing the man and not the ball.

But no, this isn&#039;t an attempt to drum up work. I have plenty to get on with, and in any event I don&#039;t do &quot;social media PowerPoints&quot; -- as even a cursory look at this website would reveal.

[&lt;strong&gt;Update&lt;/strong&gt;: &lt;em&gt;I also see you didn&#039;t leave a real email address. Seems... spineless. However you&#039;re more than welcome to discuss the actual issues we&#039;re talking about.&lt;/em&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Joseph:</strong> By all means call my commentary &#8220;immature&#8221;, that&#8217;s your prerogative as a drive-by flamer &#8212; though it contributes little to the discussion, playing the man and not the ball.</p>
<p>But no, this isn&#8217;t an attempt to drum up work. I have plenty to get on with, and in any event I don&#8217;t do &#8220;social media PowerPoints&#8221; &#8212; as even a cursory look at this website would reveal.</p>
<p>[<strong>Update</strong>: <em>I also see you didn't leave a real email address. Seems... spineless. However you're more than welcome to discuss the actual issues we're talking about.</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 23:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another pointless immature rant by a consultant trying to drum up some work.

Top marks to you sir, will be search/replacing some social media powerpoints for them in no time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another pointless immature rant by a consultant trying to drum up some work.</p>
<p>Top marks to you sir, will be search/replacing some social media powerpoints for them in no time!</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 23:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Stilgherrian: I agree we need to add the links directly through to the product from branded sites, and we&#039;ve actually commenced this process &amp; have links through from hush puppies, sachi &amp; julius marlow, but Volleys is WIP with the team.

I monitor social media for FMS &amp; like to respond where I can, but I must admit on this occasion the email made it through first (via a few people).

PS. If you&#039;ve not yet looked at the site, don&#039;t look at it now, it&#039;s down... we&#039;re having some issues the developers are working on. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Stilgherrian: I agree we need to add the links directly through to the product from branded sites, and we&#8217;ve actually commenced this process &amp; have links through from hush puppies, sachi &amp; julius marlow, but Volleys is WIP with the team.</p>
<p>I monitor social media for FMS &amp; like to respond where I can, but I must admit on this occasion the email made it through first (via a few people).</p>
<p>PS. If you&#8217;ve not yet looked at the site, don&#8217;t look at it now, it&#8217;s down&#8230; we&#8217;re having some issues the developers are working on. <img src='http://stilgherrian.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 22:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@madcom:&lt;/strong&gt; I did indeed buy the product despite its online brand marketing -- but that&#039;s because I chose the product many years ago. I&#039;m now well past &quot;marketing&quot; and up to &quot;sales&quot;. My information-gathering was more about mechanical tasks: where can I buy it and how much will it cost? 

I suppose, then, that The Tennis Shop had to persuade me to buy from &lt;em&gt;them&lt;/em&gt;. Being listed in the first Google search result I saw, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://myshopping.com.au&quot;&gt;myshopping.com.au&lt;/a&gt; aggregator, solved that in their favour in seconds. As did having that trust-building information on their website.

Now if I&#039;d discovered that Dunlop Volleys were no longer in production, I&#039;d be back at square one. Marketing &lt;em&gt;might&lt;/em&gt; have become important. Then again, I know what I&#039;d have &lt;em&gt;actually&lt;/em&gt; done: gone to Paddy&#039;s markets and bought the first halfway-decent black tennis shoe I found.

Quality is indeed its own branding -- but I daresay you won&#039;t hear an agency ever tell its client that, because there&#039;s no money to be made that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@madcom:</strong> I did indeed buy the product despite its online brand marketing &#8212; but that&#8217;s because I chose the product many years ago. I&#8217;m now well past &#8220;marketing&#8221; and up to &#8220;sales&#8221;. My information-gathering was more about mechanical tasks: where can I buy it and how much will it cost? </p>
<p>I suppose, then, that The Tennis Shop had to persuade me to buy from <em>them</em>. Being listed in the first Google search result I saw, the <a href="http://myshopping.com.au">myshopping.com.au</a> aggregator, solved that in their favour in seconds. As did having that trust-building information on their website.</p>
<p>Now if I&#8217;d discovered that Dunlop Volleys were no longer in production, I&#8217;d be back at square one. Marketing <em>might</em> have become important. Then again, I know what I&#8217;d have <em>actually</em> done: gone to Paddy&#8217;s markets and bought the first halfway-decent black tennis shoe I found.</p>
<p>Quality is indeed its own branding &#8212; but I daresay you won&#8217;t hear an agency ever tell its client that, because there&#8217;s no money to be made that way.</p>
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		<title>By: madcom</title>
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		<dc:creator>madcom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 08:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you say has merit. But doesn&#039;t it contradict all we are believing and selling about the importance of online marketing. You bought your brand DESPITE the online branding. I note that others are saying same. I like to think quality is its own branding. Good luck with your shoes -- that is really the important thing, isn&#039;t it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you say has merit. But doesn&#8217;t it contradict all we are believing and selling about the importance of online marketing. You bought your brand DESPITE the online branding. I note that others are saying same. I like to think quality is its own branding. Good luck with your shoes &#8212; that is really the important thing, isn&#8217;t it.</p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 01:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I&#039;ve re-created &lt;a href=&quot;http://stilgherrian.com/internet/google-rank-and-website-basics-a-practical-example/#comment-19953&quot;&gt;that comment from Kate&lt;/a&gt; which I accidentally deleted... and my shoes arrived this morning. By Registered Post, too, so another silver star to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thetennisshop.com.au&quot;&gt;The Tennis Shop&lt;/a&gt; for building trust.

&lt;strong&gt;@Kate:&lt;/strong&gt; So &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.findmyshoes.com.au&quot;&gt;findmyshoes.com.au&lt;/a&gt; is an online store for the many shoe brands owned by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pacificbrands.com.au/&quot;&gt;Pacific Brands&lt;/a&gt;? Cool.

Some quick feedback: If someone&#039;s already looking at the Volleys website, a big fat &quot;buy now&quot; button right next to each shoe would significantly reduce the friction of a potential sale. At the moment, as far as I can tell the only option is a phone number to call to find my local stockist -- so I have to call, then figure out how to contact or get to that shop and so on. That&#039;s a much bigger set of hurdles to jump.

It&#039;s great that Pacific Brands has responded. I assume that&#039;s because I emailed you, rather than because you&#039;re monitoring social media like blogs?

&lt;strong&gt;@Peter:&lt;/strong&gt; There&#039;s two separate activities here, and I admit I&#039;ve jumbled them in the one blog post.

First, I wanted to buy specific shoes. A good Google position and providing trust-building information meant &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thetennisshop.com.au&quot;&gt;The Tennis Shop&lt;/a&gt; got the sale. Quickly and efficiently.

Second, I looked at the official Volleys website for linkage to the shoe&#039;s history so I could write about it. That website annoyed me. I couldn&#039;t link to specific information, &quot;cute&quot; but non-obvious choices impeded my navigation, and the whole thing seemed to be style over substance. It didn&#039;t seem particularly optimised to making a sale, or even telling me about the product.

So it wasn&#039;t that &quot;the poor website did not in actual fact deter&quot; me, because I&#039;d &lt;em&gt;already&lt;/em&gt; made my purchase. The Volley brand website didn&#039;t even appear on my radar during that process.

It was more that the website, in typical agency style, was all about what &lt;em&gt;they&lt;/em&gt; wanted to tell me, rather than what &lt;em&gt;I&lt;/em&gt; might have wanted to find out. Basically, it wasted my time.

Is it &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; of any value to anyone to be able to look at a photograph of a show with different amounts of dirt on it?

There&#039;s a lot in your comment, thank you Peter, but I&#039;ll pick up on one more point...

I disagree that &quot;the product and the brand can&#039;t be separated&quot;. Perhaps I&#039;m in a minority here, but I&#039;m buying a &lt;em&gt;shoe&lt;/em&gt; -- a particular construction of canvas and rubber that&#039;s served me well in the past.

When I made that choice, years ago, I didn&#039;t care one bit that it was called &quot;Volley&quot; and that the brands &quot;Dunlop&quot; and &quot;Volley&quot; have a particular history. I picked up a shoe, looked at how it was made, tried it on for feel and bought it. It worked well and was a good price, so I bought another pair when the first wore out. And again. And again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I&#8217;ve re-created <a href="http://stilgherrian.com/internet/google-rank-and-website-basics-a-practical-example/#comment-19953">that comment from Kate</a> which I accidentally deleted&#8230; and my shoes arrived this morning. By Registered Post, too, so another silver star to <a href="http://www.thetennisshop.com.au">The Tennis Shop</a> for building trust.</p>
<p><strong>@Kate:</strong> So <a href="http://www.findmyshoes.com.au">findmyshoes.com.au</a> is an online store for the many shoe brands owned by <a href="http://www.pacificbrands.com.au/">Pacific Brands</a>? Cool.</p>
<p>Some quick feedback: If someone&#8217;s already looking at the Volleys website, a big fat &#8220;buy now&#8221; button right next to each shoe would significantly reduce the friction of a potential sale. At the moment, as far as I can tell the only option is a phone number to call to find my local stockist &#8212; so I have to call, then figure out how to contact or get to that shop and so on. That&#8217;s a much bigger set of hurdles to jump.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s great that Pacific Brands has responded. I assume that&#8217;s because I emailed you, rather than because you&#8217;re monitoring social media like blogs?</p>
<p><strong>@Peter:</strong> There&#8217;s two separate activities here, and I admit I&#8217;ve jumbled them in the one blog post.</p>
<p>First, I wanted to buy specific shoes. A good Google position and providing trust-building information meant <a href="http://www.thetennisshop.com.au">The Tennis Shop</a> got the sale. Quickly and efficiently.</p>
<p>Second, I looked at the official Volleys website for linkage to the shoe&#8217;s history so I could write about it. That website annoyed me. I couldn&#8217;t link to specific information, &#8220;cute&#8221; but non-obvious choices impeded my navigation, and the whole thing seemed to be style over substance. It didn&#8217;t seem particularly optimised to making a sale, or even telling me about the product.</p>
<p>So it wasn&#8217;t that &#8220;the poor website did not in actual fact deter&#8221; me, because I&#8217;d <em>already</em> made my purchase. The Volley brand website didn&#8217;t even appear on my radar during that process.</p>
<p>It was more that the website, in typical agency style, was all about what <em>they</em> wanted to tell me, rather than what <em>I</em> might have wanted to find out. Basically, it wasted my time.</p>
<p>Is it <em>really</em> of any value to anyone to be able to look at a photograph of a show with different amounts of dirt on it?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot in your comment, thank you Peter, but I&#8217;ll pick up on one more point&#8230;</p>
<p>I disagree that &#8220;the product and the brand can&#8217;t be separated&#8221;. Perhaps I&#8217;m in a minority here, but I&#8217;m buying a <em>shoe</em> &#8212; a particular construction of canvas and rubber that&#8217;s served me well in the past.</p>
<p>When I made that choice, years ago, I didn&#8217;t care one bit that it was called &#8220;Volley&#8221; and that the brands &#8220;Dunlop&#8221; and &#8220;Volley&#8221; have a particular history. I picked up a shoe, looked at how it was made, tried it on for feel and bought it. It worked well and was a good price, so I bought another pair when the first wore out. And again. And again.</p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 11:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn! I was just clearing out the spam comments, making sure nothing was incorrectly flagged as spam, when I found a comment by someone connected to the group of companies we&#039;re talking about and linking to another online retailer which stocks Volleys. I&#039;m damn sure I pressed &quot;approve&quot;, but now I can&#039;t see the comment anywhere in the database. Poo. My apologies.

I&#039;ll look again in the morning but, Random Person, if you see this please feel free to re-post your comment.

I&#039;ll also read and respond to the rest of the comments tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn! I was just clearing out the spam comments, making sure nothing was incorrectly flagged as spam, when I found a comment by someone connected to the group of companies we&#8217;re talking about and linking to another online retailer which stocks Volleys. I&#8217;m damn sure I pressed &#8220;approve&#8221;, but now I can&#8217;t see the comment anywhere in the database. Poo. My apologies.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll look again in the morning but, Random Person, if you see this please feel free to re-post your comment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll also read and respond to the rest of the comments tomorrow.</p>
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