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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/internet/great_pc_con_1984/#comment-10442</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 05:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@Bernard:&lt;/strong&gt; The very last sentence is exactly it:

&lt;blockquote&gt;It is an infinite passageway that can lead you and your mind just about anywhere you choose.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I just didn&#039;t want to quote anything saying &quot;infinite passageway&quot; while Laurel was in her &quot;mood&quot;. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Bernard:</strong> The very last sentence is exactly it:</p>
<blockquote><p>It is an infinite passageway that can lead you and your mind just about anywhere you choose.</p></blockquote>
<p>I just didn&#8217;t want to quote anything saying &#8220;infinite passageway&#8221; while Laurel was in her &#8220;mood&#8221;. <img src='http://stilgherrian.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bernard</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/internet/great_pc_con_1984/#comment-10430</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 02:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hartnell may have been wrong about the timeline, but he is still dead on the money with this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;People don&#039;t ask, when they see your car in the driveway or notice an electronic organ in your home, &quot;What do you do with it?.&quot; You feel you are entitled to have a musical instrument to muck about on, with no intention of giving a concert at the Lincoln Center, and you can drive for pleasure without feeling you must one day be a racing driver or drive a cab around town. Why should a computer be different?

It is the quintessential toy. It is an infinite passageway that can lead you and your mind just about anywhere you choose.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hartnell may have been wrong about the timeline, but he is still dead on the money with this:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;People don&#8217;t ask, when they see your car in the driveway or notice an electronic organ in your home, &#8220;What do you do with it?.&#8221; You feel you are entitled to have a musical instrument to muck about on, with no intention of giving a concert at the Lincoln Center, and you can drive for pleasure without feeling you must one day be a racing driver or drive a cab around town. Why should a computer be different?</p>
<p>It is the quintessential toy. It is an infinite passageway that can lead you and your mind just about anywhere you choose.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/internet/great_pc_con_1984/#comment-10421</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@Laurel Papworth:&lt;/strong&gt; I&#039;m amused that Tim Hartnell got it so wrong about the timeline for appliance-like computers. Instead of the computer becoming like a phone, the phone in fact became a computer.

Yes, combining all sorts of gadgetry -- indeed, a Turing-complete general-purpose digital computer! -- into a pocket-sized device with global network connectivity does create a synthesis that goes well beyond anything that has come before. But another wank-word like &quot;convergent device&quot; is yet another tag to separate the digerati from the plebs. All the advertising still calls them &quot;mobile phones&quot;, and that&#039;s how the vast majority of people still perceive them -- phones with added gadgetry.

We will never hear someone tell a friend, &quot;I just bought a new convergent device&quot;. They&#039;ll still say &quot;phone&quot;. Or, more likely, &quot;iPod&quot;. [&lt;em&gt;Pace&lt;/em&gt;, Snarky Platypus! Yes, you&#039;re a lapsed Catholic, so I know you&#039;ll respond to Latin.]

Hartnell&#039;s right that the technology was (and continues to be!) marketed using parental guilt-trips and iies -- though now the lies are about &quot;freedom&quot;, i.e. the freedom to have your employer harass you while you&#039;re meant to be relaxing by the pool, and freedom for advertisers to track your every activity and insert their messages into normal communications.

I&#039;ve never said that computers or the Internet or your lovely social media are not &lt;em&gt;useful&lt;/em&gt;. I&#039;ve only ever talked about the &lt;em&gt;relative&lt;/em&gt; ease of use (for those hypothetical builders in their utes), and how we shouldn&#039;t be shouting at them to &quot;Keep up!&quot; but providing useful, comprehensible tools without the gee-whiz hype.

As I said, Web 2.0 only makes it &lt;em&gt;relatively&lt;/em&gt; easier to generate that web presence. There&#039;s still a lof of assumed knowledge which our blokes in the ute don&#039;t have. We should be making it &lt;em&gt;easier&lt;/em&gt; for them to understand, not baffling them with more hype.

it&#039;s glass half-full versus glass half-empty, yes. We&#039;re both looking at the same phenomenon, but you have the rosy end of the telescope up ya! ;)

&lt;strong&gt;@Rhys:&lt;/strong&gt; Yes, if you&#039;d bought that Olivetti in 1984 you&#039;ve have full mobility today. Ah, and here I was thinking that wheelchair was just some kooky goth fashion statement...!

&lt;strong&gt;@Zern:&lt;/strong&gt; Yeah, guilt about your children&#039;s success will always be a good motivator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Laurel Papworth:</strong> I&#8217;m amused that Tim Hartnell got it so wrong about the timeline for appliance-like computers. Instead of the computer becoming like a phone, the phone in fact became a computer.</p>
<p>Yes, combining all sorts of gadgetry &#8212; indeed, a Turing-complete general-purpose digital computer! &#8212; into a pocket-sized device with global network connectivity does create a synthesis that goes well beyond anything that has come before. But another wank-word like &#8220;convergent device&#8221; is yet another tag to separate the digerati from the plebs. All the advertising still calls them &#8220;mobile phones&#8221;, and that&#8217;s how the vast majority of people still perceive them &#8212; phones with added gadgetry.</p>
<p>We will never hear someone tell a friend, &#8220;I just bought a new convergent device&#8221;. They&#8217;ll still say &#8220;phone&#8221;. Or, more likely, &#8220;iPod&#8221;. [<em>Pace</em>, Snarky Platypus! Yes, you're a lapsed Catholic, so I know you'll respond to Latin.]</p>
<p>Hartnell&#8217;s right that the technology was (and continues to be!) marketed using parental guilt-trips and iies &#8212; though now the lies are about &#8220;freedom&#8221;, i.e. the freedom to have your employer harass you while you&#8217;re meant to be relaxing by the pool, and freedom for advertisers to track your every activity and insert their messages into normal communications.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never said that computers or the Internet or your lovely social media are not <em>useful</em>. I&#8217;ve only ever talked about the <em>relative</em> ease of use (for those hypothetical builders in their utes), and how we shouldn&#8217;t be shouting at them to &#8220;Keep up!&#8221; but providing useful, comprehensible tools without the gee-whiz hype.</p>
<p>As I said, Web 2.0 only makes it <em>relatively</em> easier to generate that web presence. There&#8217;s still a lof of assumed knowledge which our blokes in the ute don&#8217;t have. We should be making it <em>easier</em> for them to understand, not baffling them with more hype.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s glass half-full versus glass half-empty, yes. We&#8217;re both looking at the same phenomenon, but you have the rosy end of the telescope up ya! <img src='http://stilgherrian.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><strong>@Rhys:</strong> Yes, if you&#8217;d bought that Olivetti in 1984 you&#8217;ve have full mobility today. Ah, and here I was thinking that wheelchair was just some kooky goth fashion statement&#8230;!</p>
<p><strong>@Zern:</strong> Yeah, guilt about your children&#8217;s success will always be a good motivator.</p>
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		<title>By: Zern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nowadays we have telcos using the same &quot;...or your kids will be left behind...&quot; line to sell us broadband connections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nowadays we have telcos using the same &#8220;&#8230;or your kids will be left behind&#8230;&#8221; line to sell us broadband connections.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhys</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/internet/great_pc_con_1984/#comment-10409</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 05:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So THATS why I&#039;m handicapped, of course!

Is a laptop a convergent device then, using that logic? I&#039;d say a telephone is a telephone irrespective of its mobilty. You use it to make calls by pushing little numbered buttons</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So THATS why I&#8217;m handicapped, of course!</p>
<p>Is a laptop a convergent device then, using that logic? I&#8217;d say a telephone is a telephone irrespective of its mobilty. You use it to make calls by pushing little numbered buttons</p>
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		<title>By: Laurel Papworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurel Papworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 01:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So either you disagree with Tim Hartnell and think that maybe, just maybe, the PC is an important invention and useful to most people. And maybe the internetz is too ?

Or you agree with him and think that we aren&#039;t sophisticated enough, and the technology advanced enough, for people to get use out of it? 

Please don&#039;t tell me that you disagree with him about the usefulness of PCs and agree with him about the lack of usefulness of the internet. We learn from history, honeybunny. :) 

Btw you are confusing the mobile phone (convergent device) with a telephone. Lots of people don&#039;t even use the address book, let alone the sms function. Totally analogue, they wouldn&#039;t bother with the manual. Are you one of &#039;em, btw? :P 

Ok I need a new blog to troll ... anyone? heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So either you disagree with Tim Hartnell and think that maybe, just maybe, the PC is an important invention and useful to most people. And maybe the internetz is too ?</p>
<p>Or you agree with him and think that we aren&#8217;t sophisticated enough, and the technology advanced enough, for people to get use out of it? </p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t tell me that you disagree with him about the usefulness of PCs and agree with him about the lack of usefulness of the internet. We learn from history, honeybunny. <img src='http://stilgherrian.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Btw you are confusing the mobile phone (convergent device) with a telephone. Lots of people don&#8217;t even use the address book, let alone the sms function. Totally analogue, they wouldn&#8217;t bother with the manual. Are you one of &#8216;em, btw? <img src='http://stilgherrian.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Ok I need a new blog to troll &#8230; anyone? heh.</p>
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