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		<title>By: Publicity for beginners &#124; Bill Bennett</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/marketing/advice-to-pr-student-uhoh/#comment-46096</link>
		<dc:creator>Publicity for beginners &#124; Bill Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Publicity for beginners &#171; Bill Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Publicity for beginners &#171; Bill Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 02:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: frustrated with government bureaucracy? &#171; power of language blog: partnering with reality by JR Fibonacci</title>
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		<dc:creator>frustrated with government bureaucracy? &#171; power of language blog: partnering with reality by JR Fibonacci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 00:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/marketing/advice-to-pr-student-uhoh/#comment-42896</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 06:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s now more than two weeks since this student got what they asked for. Still no acknowledgement. The only thing that prevents me naming them is me saying I&#039;d post what I wrote without identifying them. I&#039;m sorely tempted to argue that that&#039;s a different promise from not naming someone who failed in basic courtesy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s now more than two weeks since this student got what they asked for. Still no acknowledgement. The only thing that prevents me naming them is me saying I&#8217;d post what I wrote without identifying them. I&#8217;m sorely tempted to argue that that&#8217;s a different promise from not naming someone who failed in basic courtesy.</p>
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		<title>By: 'Pong</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/marketing/advice-to-pr-student-uhoh/#comment-42850</link>
		<dc:creator>'Pong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 01:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Student life is always busy with assignmentss and activities. Wait until they get to real life working experience. Either they are too busy for acknowledgement or have all the time to themselves because no one hires them. Likely to be the latter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Student life is always busy with assignmentss and activities. Wait until they get to real life working experience. Either they are too busy for acknowledgement or have all the time to themselves because no one hires them. Likely to be the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: BernieTB</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/marketing/advice-to-pr-student-uhoh/#comment-42849</link>
		<dc:creator>BernieTB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 01:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seconded. If they&#039;re not even going to bother with a small word of thanks, I suspect their career is going to be quite short.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seconded. If they&#8217;re not even going to bother with a small word of thanks, I suspect their career is going to be quite short.</p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/marketing/advice-to-pr-student-uhoh/#comment-42848</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 00:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More than a week after answering this student&#039;s questions, they have yet to even acknowledge them, let alone say even the most basic thank-you. Pretty fucking pathetic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More than a week after answering this student&#8217;s questions, they have yet to even acknowledge them, let alone say even the most basic thank-you. Pretty fucking pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Warren</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/marketing/advice-to-pr-student-uhoh/#comment-42677</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was more helpful and less snarky than what I thought it was going to be, going by your initial twitter comments. Very useful for some other budding journo or PR flunky, actually.

Possibly less so for the student in question, but if they haven&#039;t responded after these unsubtle hints, they&#039;re a lost cause. Or, more kindly, just young and clueless, as we all were one day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was more helpful and less snarky than what I thought it was going to be, going by your initial twitter comments. Very useful for some other budding journo or PR flunky, actually.</p>
<p>Possibly less so for the student in question, but if they haven&#8217;t responded after these unsubtle hints, they&#8217;re a lost cause. Or, more kindly, just young and clueless, as we all were one day.</p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/marketing/advice-to-pr-student-uhoh/#comment-42674</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 03:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Monday, well after midday. Still no sign of land.]]></description>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/marketing/advice-to-pr-student-uhoh/#comment-42639</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 00:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sunday 11am. Still not even an acknowledgement from the student who gave me a deadline of noon Friday. My theory that they just made up shit because I asked them to is seemingly confirmed. Fail.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunday 11am. Still not even an acknowledgement from the student who gave me a deadline of noon Friday. My theory that they just made up shit because I asked them to is seemingly confirmed. Fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Hollingsworth</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/marketing/advice-to-pr-student-uhoh/#comment-42624</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Hollingsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 04:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with all the comments here - you gave that student a generous amount of your time and knowledge and I think it will help them and others enormously.  It helped me, as although I am fast becoming an &quot;old fart&quot; too I feel like a student all the time these days - constantly learning from others, especially given the evolution of all this &quot;intertubes&quot; stuff which really seems to be taking off! :-)  

Thanks for sharing this Stil.

Best,
Tony]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with all the comments here &#8211; you gave that student a generous amount of your time and knowledge and I think it will help them and others enormously.  It helped me, as although I am fast becoming an &#8220;old fart&#8221; too I feel like a student all the time these days &#8211; constantly learning from others, especially given the evolution of all this &#8220;intertubes&#8221; stuff which really seems to be taking off! <img src='http://stilgherrian.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>Thanks for sharing this Stil.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Tony</p>
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		<title>By: Bleeter</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/marketing/advice-to-pr-student-uhoh/#comment-42617</link>
		<dc:creator>Bleeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 21:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought a very timely post, even if restating stuff you&#039;ve said elsewhere previously, particularly given the recent rehash doing the rounds of certain journos writing about online commentary and the &quot;OH FUCK THE INTERNET IS HERE&quot;. 
OTOH, it does seem a rather strange bunch of questions, for the reasons you and others in the comments cite.
I don&#039;t think you gave them a hard time at all. Not as if they&#039;re paying you to educate them. People who ask for opinions unsolicited should be prepared to listen to whatever comes back at them (qv the rage about online commenters being &#039;impolite&#039;)
Hopefully the student concerned will learn from their obvious errors (maybe they&#039;re a first year, first semester student?) and will go on to contribute to our society in was that will surprise us all.
Have I made sense at all myself? NFI. I do know I need more coffee.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought a very timely post, even if restating stuff you&#8217;ve said elsewhere previously, particularly given the recent rehash doing the rounds of certain journos writing about online commentary and the &#8220;OH FUCK THE INTERNET IS HERE&#8221;.<br />
OTOH, it does seem a rather strange bunch of questions, for the reasons you and others in the comments cite.<br />
I don&#8217;t think you gave them a hard time at all. Not as if they&#8217;re paying you to educate them. People who ask for opinions unsolicited should be prepared to listen to whatever comes back at them (qv the rage about online commenters being &#8216;impolite&#8217;)<br />
Hopefully the student concerned will learn from their obvious errors (maybe they&#8217;re a first year, first semester student?) and will go on to contribute to our society in was that will surprise us all.<br />
Have I made sense at all myself? NFI. I do know I need more coffee.</p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/marketing/advice-to-pr-student-uhoh/#comment-42599</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 13:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@BernieTB:&lt;/strong&gt; Well, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_Law&quot;&gt;Sturgeon&#039;s Law&lt;/a&gt;. Nothing surprises me any more.

The rude shock when they graduate will include facing the very human response of someone putting in a bunch of effort -- for free! -- on a couple of days notice and then not having receipt acknowledged before close of business that day. Pretty poor way to build a relationship so fuck off question 7, right?

This is just in such stark contrast with a guy last year who explained precisely what his project was, booked a time, sent me background notes and had clearly read a whole bunch of my stuff because he cut to the chase and asked me specific questions about what I&#039;d said in an article the previous year compared with what others had told him.

That was an intelligent conversation via Skype that went &lt;em&gt;way&lt;/em&gt; over time because it was fun and fascinating for both of us.

This student -- are you reading this now? -- seems to be going through the motions and ticking the boxes. Low pass at best, I&#039;d say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@BernieTB:</strong> Well, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_Law">Sturgeon&#8217;s Law</a>. Nothing surprises me any more.</p>
<p>The rude shock when they graduate will include facing the very human response of someone putting in a bunch of effort &#8212; for free! &#8212; on a couple of days notice and then not having receipt acknowledged before close of business that day. Pretty poor way to build a relationship so fuck off question 7, right?</p>
<p>This is just in such stark contrast with a guy last year who explained precisely what his project was, booked a time, sent me background notes and had clearly read a whole bunch of my stuff because he cut to the chase and asked me specific questions about what I&#8217;d said in an article the previous year compared with what others had told him.</p>
<p>That was an intelligent conversation via Skype that went <em>way</em> over time because it was fun and fascinating for both of us.</p>
<p>This student &#8212; are you reading this now? &#8212; seems to be going through the motions and ticking the boxes. Low pass at best, I&#8217;d say.</p>
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		<title>By: BernieTB</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/marketing/advice-to-pr-student-uhoh/#comment-42598</link>
		<dc:creator>BernieTB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 12:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You would be absolutely amazed (or probably not) how few students in journo/PR/Communication/whatever degrees just don&#039;t bother with the online stuff because &quot;oh I just don&#039;t get it&quot;. I suspect there are a large number of bright-eyed students who are going to be in for quite a rude shock when they graduate.

Also, for the record, &quot;mongfest&quot; is a perfectly acceptable description for Facebook.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would be absolutely amazed (or probably not) how few students in journo/PR/Communication/whatever degrees just don&#8217;t bother with the online stuff because &#8220;oh I just don&#8217;t get it&#8221;. I suspect there are a large number of bright-eyed students who are going to be in for quite a rude shock when they graduate.</p>
<p>Also, for the record, &#8220;mongfest&#8221; is a perfectly acceptable description for Facebook.</p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/marketing/advice-to-pr-student-uhoh/#comment-42597</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 12:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@Jenny MacKinnon:&lt;/strong&gt; Ah well, I reckon helping students is part of what old farts like me are meant to do. I suspect there&#039;s meant to be some kind of money or karma in return for it, but nevertheless this ratty old has-been feels that it&#039;s the responsible thing to do -- helping the next generation and shit.

If not as a role model, at least as a dire warning.

&lt;strong&gt;@BernieTB:&lt;/strong&gt; Yeah upon reflection the questions I was asked were rather generic -- and it&#039;s not like I haven&#039;t written and spoken shitloads about this stuff before.

Indeed if you follow the links you&#039;ll find &lt;em&gt;plenty&lt;/em&gt; about the industrial-age media factories. I know some of them have already been used in university classes because I&#039;ve received copyright royalty payments for them  -- though why you&#039;d reprint them when you can just email the students a link to them for free is beyond me. Perhaps some universities do that to justify their fees.

Another thing struck me about this student. They don&#039;t seem to have much of an online footprint -- unless it&#039;s all in that mongfest called Facebook. No indication on Twitter that they contributed anything to the world. No website. Nothing written anywhere.

Even their email was from a generic free email account, didn&#039;t mention their phone number or their university or even the Twitter account through which they&#039;d first contacted me. In retrospect, for someone who intends to make a career out of marketing and PR, that&#039;s pretty half-arsed.

Now I do know which university they&#039;re at &#039;cos I did some basic forensics on their email. And thinking about it, I&#039;m tempted to create a PR disaster for them to see how they cope. Now &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; would be a learning experience!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Jenny MacKinnon:</strong> Ah well, I reckon helping students is part of what old farts like me are meant to do. I suspect there&#8217;s meant to be some kind of money or karma in return for it, but nevertheless this ratty old has-been feels that it&#8217;s the responsible thing to do &#8212; helping the next generation and shit.</p>
<p>If not as a role model, at least as a dire warning.</p>
<p><strong>@BernieTB:</strong> Yeah upon reflection the questions I was asked were rather generic &#8212; and it&#8217;s not like I haven&#8217;t written and spoken shitloads about this stuff before.</p>
<p>Indeed if you follow the links you&#8217;ll find <em>plenty</em> about the industrial-age media factories. I know some of them have already been used in university classes because I&#8217;ve received copyright royalty payments for them  &#8212; though why you&#8217;d reprint them when you can just email the students a link to them for free is beyond me. Perhaps some universities do that to justify their fees.</p>
<p>Another thing struck me about this student. They don&#8217;t seem to have much of an online footprint &#8212; unless it&#8217;s all in that mongfest called Facebook. No indication on Twitter that they contributed anything to the world. No website. Nothing written anywhere.</p>
<p>Even their email was from a generic free email account, didn&#8217;t mention their phone number or their university or even the Twitter account through which they&#8217;d first contacted me. In retrospect, for someone who intends to make a career out of marketing and PR, that&#8217;s pretty half-arsed.</p>
<p>Now I do know which university they&#8217;re at &#8216;cos I did some basic forensics on their email. And thinking about it, I&#8217;m tempted to create a PR disaster for them to see how they cope. Now <em>that</em> would be a learning experience!</p>
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