Comments on: Bloggers: the biggest whingers since journalists

By: Dave

Dave — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:35:35 +0000

Mediamum, you beat Jeff Jarvis to the point of his “cure for curmudgeons” post by a few days — ignore the perceived criticism or complaints and just start building a better castle.

By: Todd

Todd — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:54:32 +0000

I don’t think true journalists whine — they are reporting the news. If the news is bad news, well then it might come across as whining, but it is hard to report bad news and sound happy about it!

By: Stilgherrian · Anna Warwick: liar, or just unethical?

Stilgherrian · Anna Warwick: liar, or just unethical? — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:14:24 +0000

[...] the recent rants about journalism and journalistic standards [mine and Jonathan Este's], Anna Warwick’s current blog entry at news.com.au is particularly [...]

By: Stilgherrian

Stilgherrian — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 06:22:31 +0000

@Mediamum: I suspect a lot of “new media” folks spend most of their time talking to other new media folks, and get their news through new media. So they’re bound to think that new media is bigger and more important that it actually is (yet). Plus some of them think they’re a bit special because they’re “Inventing the Future”…

By: jason

jason — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:10:51 +0000

Rather than hen peck the lower ranks, I’d rather see journalists muscle up against the media corporations diluting media in general.

It’s a sad state of affairs when young people turn to Jon Stewart for a reality check.

By: Stephen Stockwell

Stephen Stockwell — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:03:22 +0000

Bingo.

By: Mediamum

Mediamum — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:43:57 +0000

I am still enthralled by this conversation. I don’t think the journalism debate is about “you can play in our sandpit.” The sandpit is no longer owned by anyone. It’s free and available to everyone. After owning the sandpit, the sand, and the play tools for so long, no wonder the traditional media journalists are pissed that any old grubby kid can get in there and start building their own castles.

All those years of owning a masthead, controlling the medium, the message and the readership that goes with it potentially means… nothing.

So I get why traditional media is annoyed.

I don’t, however, get why ‘new media’ is so pissed off. If traditional media has betrayed the public and is currently at such an incredible low point, why does their opinion matter to you so much? So what if they tend to dismiss bloggers?

The sandpit is changing. Instead of trying to stake claim over the sand, or spouting about how the previously owned sand is crap, better ways of making a decent castle would be great to see.

By: Stephen Stockwell

Stephen Stockwell — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:39:03 +0000

There’s still plenty of cheese left, readers.
I finished the wine last night.