Comments on: What should I do about Australia 2020? http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/ All publication is a political act. All communication is propaganda. All art is pornography. All business is personal. All hail Eris. Vive les poissons rouges sauvages! Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:43:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Stilgherrian http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12330 Stilgherrian Mon, 07 Apr 2008 06:04:25 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12330 <strong>@Anastasia:</strong> I must admit, I haven't been following Chairman Rudd's overseas jaunt at all... not enough hours in my week last week. <strong>@Kevin Rennie:</strong> Thanks for the pointer. I've added all that to my list of things to check out. I still haven't really decided what I want to do with the Australia 2020 Summit. The part of me which years to do more media work rather than IT stuff is aching to go. Another part of me is saying that I'm taking on too much work right now. I don't yet know which part will win. @Anastasia: I must admit, I haven’t been following Chairman Rudd’s overseas jaunt at all… not enough hours in my week last week.

@Kevin Rennie: Thanks for the pointer. I’ve added all that to my list of things to check out.

I still haven’t really decided what I want to do with the Australia 2020 Summit. The part of me which years to do more media work rather than IT stuff is aching to go. Another part of me is saying that I’m taking on too much work right now. I don’t yet know which part will win.

]]> By: Kevin Rennie http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12311 Kevin Rennie Sun, 06 Apr 2008 11:41:06 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12311 Laborview is another blogger/citJ who has missed out. I thought a bit of long distance journalism might be in order. Will certainly ask Mark Bin Bakar and Pat Dobson, our local reps for some follow up comments. If you get accreditation seek out Mark for a unique perspective. Laborview is another blogger/citJ who has missed out. I thought a bit of long distance journalism might be in order. Will certainly ask Mark Bin Bakar and Pat Dobson, our local reps for some follow up comments. If you get accreditation seek out Mark for a unique perspective.

]]> By: Anastasia http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12214 Anastasia Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:04:19 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12214 Still though, he has plenty of time to do that. He hopped on a plane the moment he won the election. And there's no real point meeting George W Bush, he's on the way out, his popularity rating is in the crapper. The isolationism was a pain, and hopefully it's all over. I don't know what to make of the current US election campaigns. Both contenders don't look really great (especially with Hilary's doozie of a lie), and I have a feeling that if Obama is the nominee, then the Republicans have a chance of winning again. Still though, he has plenty of time to do that. He hopped on a plane the moment he won the election. And there’s no real point meeting George W Bush, he’s on the way out, his popularity rating is in the crapper.

The isolationism was a pain, and hopefully it’s all over. I don’t know what to make of the current US election campaigns. Both contenders don’t look really great (especially with Hilary’s doozie of a lie), and I have a feeling that if Obama is the nominee, then the Republicans have a chance of winning again.

]]> By: Stilgherrian http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12184 Stilgherrian Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:31:48 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12184 <strong>@Bernard:</strong>Thanks for the pointer. Yet another "you can discuss he issues here" site. I reckon someone needs to collect all of this energy into one spot, or separate out the strands of thought for each theme. If we're counting backwards from 1000 then Miranda and Gerard takes us to 998, sure. But then there's a few others we can drop too. How low can we go? No, not the biggest non-Heath comment stream yet. I'll add a statistics thingy later to find the one with the most. @Bernard:Thanks for the pointer. Yet another “you can discuss he issues here” site. I reckon someone needs to collect all of this energy into one spot, or separate out the strands of thought for each theme.

If we’re counting backwards from 1000 then Miranda and Gerard takes us to 998, sure. But then there’s a few others we can drop too. How low can we go?

No, not the biggest non-Heath comment stream yet. I’ll add a statistics thingy later to find the one with the most.

]]> By: Bernard http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12183 Bernard Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:12:32 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12183 @Stil - u mean 998 + Miranda + Gerard don't you?? From the ABC comments "AMA anger over 2020 snub" http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/03/31/2203449.htm is this DaveMac: 31 Mar 2008 12:23:36pm Regrettably a large number of Australians are unable to participate in this event. I too applied, and was disappointed to have not been selected. However, I've created a website for all Australians to contribute thoughts and discussion on the Australia2020 Summit topics. It is not commercial, and it has no advertising or cost to be involved. Please visit http://www.australia2020.net to voice your concerns, and engage in the debate! not checked it out, but poss worth the look. Stil - is this the biggest (non Heath!) response to a post? @Stil – u mean 998 + Miranda + Gerard don’t you??

From the ABC comments “AMA anger over 2020 snub”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/03/31/2203449.htm

is this

DaveMac:

31 Mar 2008 12:23:36pm

Regrettably a large number of Australians are unable to participate in this event. I too applied, and was disappointed to have not been selected.

However, I’ve created a website for all Australians to contribute thoughts and discussion on the Australia2020 Summit topics. It is not commercial, and it has no advertising or cost to be involved.

Please visit http://www.australia2020.net to voice your concerns, and engage in the debate!

not checked it out, but poss worth the look.

Stil – is this the biggest (non Heath!) response to a post?

]]> By: Stilgherrian http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12180 Stilgherrian Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:51:24 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12180 <strong>@Anastasia:</strong> I understand what you're saying about Chairman Rudd's tour, but then face-to-face meetings always do work more effectively than video conferences. Plus they're a whole lot more secure from prying eyes. Plus I really do like the idea of Australia engaging with the rest of the world following Mr Toad's decade of America-or-nothing isolationism. It is, however, appalling that basic services like hospitals can't be gotten right. I'll put further thought into my own role later today... @Anastasia: I understand what you’re saying about Chairman Rudd’s tour, but then face-to-face meetings always do work more effectively than video conferences. Plus they’re a whole lot more secure from prying eyes. Plus I really do like the idea of Australia engaging with the rest of the world following Mr Toad’s decade of America-or-nothing isolationism. It is, however, appalling that basic services like hospitals can’t be gotten right.

I’ll put further thought into my own role later today…

]]> By: Anastasia http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12168 Anastasia Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:45:53 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12168 I'm still trying to decide how this summit looks to the rest of the world in terms of the small sample population, that obviously includes certain newspaper columnists. I think Kev ought to stay at home a little more and focus on real issues such as the disenchanting medical situation in hospitals, instead of schmoozing all around the world like he has. I can appreciate that he has to meet the leaders he will be dealing with, but surely these people can meet via the technologies we have today, such as video hook-ups or webcam. If the 'common folk' can use webcam, why can't politicians, instead of wasting time flying everywhere with their entourages? My ex partner has had to wait seven months for an appointment with an orthopedic surgeon at RPA due to the waiting lists and is in severe pain, and when I called them to book an appointment I was told that it is far too busy and that the orthopedic centre is 'swamped'. In Australia out of all places. What you should do? I think writing about it and having your ideas published to a wider stream of Australians could be the way to go. And Devine out of all people? They may as well throw in Anita Quigley and Piers Akerman lol I’m still trying to decide how this summit looks to the rest of the world in terms of the small sample population, that obviously includes certain newspaper columnists.

I think Kev ought to stay at home a little more and focus on real issues such as the disenchanting medical situation in hospitals, instead of schmoozing all around the world like he has. I can appreciate that he has to meet the leaders he will be dealing with, but surely these people can meet via the technologies we have today, such as video hook-ups or webcam. If the ‘common folk’ can use webcam, why can’t politicians, instead of wasting time flying everywhere with their entourages?

My ex partner has had to wait seven months for an appointment with an orthopedic surgeon at RPA due to the waiting lists and is in severe pain, and when I called them to book an appointment I was told that it is far too busy and that the orthopedic centre is ‘swamped’. In Australia out of all places.

What you should do?

I think writing about it and having your ideas published to a wider stream of Australians could be the way to go.

And Devine out of all people? They may as well throw in Anita Quigley and Piers Akerman lol

]]> By: Stilgherrian http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12163 Stilgherrian Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:48:10 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12163 <strong>@Snif:</strong> Oh, I don't think it's a wankfest at all! At least not yet. I was quoting Ken L from <em>The Road to Surfdom</em>, who used "wankfest", and then at the end I pondered whether I should continue in my optimism or give in to The Wankfest Meme. I think the Australia 2020 Summit will be what the direct participants and the rest of us make of it -- and that anyone who decides in advance that it's going to fail or be pointless isn't giving Miranda Devine and the 999 "best and brightest" a chance to shape the event appropriately. I <em>really</em> want it to be successful (for some value of "success" that isn't equal to merely "makes Chairman Rudd look good"). I'd been thinking I need to better distinguish between my words and those I quote from elsewhere.. @Snif: Oh, I don’t think it’s a wankfest at all! At least not yet. I was quoting Ken L from The Road to Surfdom, who used “wankfest”, and then at the end I pondered whether I should continue in my optimism or give in to The Wankfest Meme.

I think the Australia 2020 Summit will be what the direct participants and the rest of us make of it — and that anyone who decides in advance that it’s going to fail or be pointless isn’t giving Miranda Devine and the 999 “best and brightest” a chance to shape the event appropriately. I really want it to be successful (for some value of “success” that isn’t equal to merely “makes Chairman Rudd look good”).

I’d been thinking I need to better distinguish between my words and those I quote from elsewhere..

]]> By: Snif http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12146 Snif Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:37:30 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12146 Er, would you have been so quick to dismiss it as a wankfest if your name was among the one thousand chosen? Er, would you have been so quick to dismiss it as a wankfest if your name was among the one thousand chosen?

]]> By: Stilgherrian http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12141 Stilgherrian Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:45:48 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12141 Gentlemen, ta for the comments. I write this via Nokia N80 at The Bank Hotel so I'll be brief. Richard, there's already some kind of Fringe Summit forming, but I wonder how the creators expect to get their ideas into the political process. Alex, you continue to astound, and are spot on. Love the word "bullschizm". All good thought-food. More later, salt'n'pepper squid has arrived. Gentlemen, ta for the comments. I write this via Nokia N80 at The Bank Hotel so I’ll be brief.

Richard, there’s already some kind of Fringe Summit forming, but I wonder how the creators expect to get their ideas into the political process.

Alex, you continue to astound, and are spot on. Love the word “bullschizm”.

All good thought-food. More later, salt’n'pepper squid has arrived.

]]> By: Nick Hodge http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12139 Nick Hodge Sun, 30 Mar 2008 05:03:19 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12139 ++ Richard's comment Virtual summit ++ Richard’s comment

Virtual summit

]]> By: Alex Willemyns http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12138 Alex Willemyns Sun, 30 Mar 2008 05:01:50 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12138 (I'm not being cynical with that last paragraph, I'm just commenting on the current state. I mean, there was an Age of Enlightenment in the 18th century...) (I’m not being cynical with that last paragraph, I’m just commenting on the current state. I mean, there was an Age of Enlightenment in the 18th century…)

]]> By: Alex Willemyns http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12137 Alex Willemyns Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:57:14 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12137 "Both, I’m sure, will bring brilliantly innovative ideas to the wankfest that nobody ever thunk before in the history of 20 cents a word punditocracy. Sorry Kevin but this ridiculous waste of time and money is the stupidest idea since Friday sittings of parliament in which nothing was allowed to happen." Amen, brutha. Australia ain't no Communist nation, the Government doesn't <i>need</i> to get tips from individuals on Australia's future -- just let them do their thang, and it'll happen naturally. We have relative liberty in Australia -- that means <i>we do our own thing</i>, not what the Government 'plans' for us to do. Call it a wankfest, Stil. This isn't about Australia's future at all, and if it is, it shouldn't be: the Government shouldn't have the power to define our future. That's the <i>definition</i> of Socialism/Facism/Communism/ any other type of Statism you can come up with. And I agree with you on the left/right bullshizm: at least on the two party level, both parties just offer the same burger, with different sauce. “Both, I’m sure, will bring brilliantly innovative ideas to the wankfest that nobody ever thunk before in the history of 20 cents a word punditocracy. Sorry Kevin but this ridiculous waste of time and money is the stupidest idea since Friday sittings of parliament in which nothing was allowed to happen.”

Amen, brutha. Australia ain’t no Communist nation, the Government doesn’t need to get tips from individuals on Australia’s future — just let them do their thang, and it’ll happen naturally. We have relative liberty in Australia — that means we do our own thing, not what the Government ‘plans’ for us to do.

Call it a wankfest, Stil. This isn’t about Australia’s future at all, and if it is, it shouldn’t be: the Government shouldn’t have the power to define our future. That’s the definition of Socialism/Facism/Communism/ any other type of Statism you can come up with.

And I agree with you on the left/right bullshizm: at least on the two party level, both parties just offer the same burger, with different sauce.

]]> By: Richard http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12136 Richard Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:53:36 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/personal/australia_2020_choices/#comment-12136 How about staging your own virtual 'counter-summit'? How about staging your own virtual ‘counter-summit’?

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