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	<title>Comments on: Completely inappropriate, Senator Conroy</title>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/politics/completely-inappropriate-senator-conroy/#comment-15262</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@Stephen Conroy:&lt;/strong&gt; Oh poor Senator Conroy, your site has been teh filtererized!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Stephen Conroy:</strong> Oh poor Senator Conroy, your site has been teh filtererized!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Conroy</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/politics/completely-inappropriate-senator-conroy/#comment-15261</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Conroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please do not be so critical of me guys. I work hard to provide the best for our kids. And it&#039;s our kids that are important, because they are our future, after all. I mean, I am not a wowser, I am just a man that cares about the future of our great country. 

Get the real facts about the Content Filtering Scheme from my new web site, http://www.stephenconroy.org, and stop propagating this prejudiced information.

Thank You</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please do not be so critical of me guys. I work hard to provide the best for our kids. And it&#8217;s our kids that are important, because they are our future, after all. I mean, I am not a wowser, I am just a man that cares about the future of our great country. </p>
<p>Get the real facts about the Content Filtering Scheme from my new web site, <a href="http://www.stephenconroy.org" >http://www.stephenconroy.org</a>, and stop propagating this prejudiced information.</p>
<p>Thank You</p>
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		<title>By: Wild claims Hysteria Enthusiastic commentary on internet censorship: Ludlam in Senate Estimates</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/politics/completely-inappropriate-senator-conroy/#comment-14939</link>
		<dc:creator>Wild claims Hysteria Enthusiastic commentary on internet censorship: Ludlam in Senate Estimates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Completely inappropriate, Senator Conroy&#8220;. 24 Oct [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Free</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/politics/completely-inappropriate-senator-conroy/#comment-14454</link>
		<dc:creator>Free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Senator Stephen Conroy is a fucking nazi puppet for the NWO, screw him and his brownshirt style.

One thing these puppets fear is exposure. So as long as we all talk about them and what they are attempting to do, they FEAR that.

So from the bottom of my arse Conjob, suck a fat one you tool.

Love to everyone else :)

free</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senator Stephen Conroy is a fucking nazi puppet for the NWO, screw him and his brownshirt style.</p>
<p>One thing these puppets fear is exposure. So as long as we all talk about them and what they are attempting to do, they FEAR that.</p>
<p>So from the bottom of my arse Conjob, suck a fat one you tool.</p>
<p>Love to everyone else <img src='http://stilgherrian.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>free</p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian &#183; The argument is simple, Senator Conroy</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/politics/completely-inappropriate-senator-conroy/#comment-14410</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian &#183; The argument is simple, Senator Conroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] However in summary Conroy is blustering, maligning his critics with the McCarthyist tactic of bullying and calling them child pornographers and generally ignoring the rational questions being put to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian &#183; Dear Senator Ellis&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/politics/completely-inappropriate-senator-conroy/#comment-14362</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian &#183; Dear Senator Ellis&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Newton, the network engineer who Senator Conroy&#8217;s office tried to bully, has written to Senator Kate Ellis detailing his criticism of both the Internet censorship plans [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Newton, the network engineer who Senator Conroy&#8217;s office tried to bully, has written to Senator Kate Ellis detailing his criticism of both the Internet censorship plans [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Net censorship roundup: Fielding and Xenophon want filters to include legal material at Hoyden About Town</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/politics/completely-inappropriate-senator-conroy/#comment-14356</link>
		<dc:creator>Net censorship roundup: Fielding and Xenophon want filters to include legal material at Hoyden About Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Completely inappropriate, Senator Conroy&#8220;. 24 Oct [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/politics/completely-inappropriate-senator-conroy/#comment-14331</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 00:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@Connor Moran:&lt;/strong&gt; OK, you&#039;ve gone the &lt;em&gt;ad hominem&lt;/em&gt; route (i.e. attacking the person and not the argument) with &quot;those like Stilgherrian&quot; and &quot;dunces&quot; and &quot;think harder&quot; etc etc... and the straw-man of claiming I&#039;m saying you &quot;can&#039;t control the Internet&quot; -- which is &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; my position.

My quick responses:

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&lt;li&gt;Saying that filtering &quot;works&quot; depends what you mean by a working filter. A 1% false-positive rate &lt;em&gt;might&lt;/em&gt; be acceptable in a small business where the problem can be fixed quickly. I doubt that it scales up well. Imagine a business which makes, oh, breast-feeding accessories trying to use Telstra BigPond support to get themselves unblocked!&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;I have no problem with a business choosing to restrict Internet access &lt;em&gt;for its employees&lt;/em&gt;, or a family restricting &lt;em&gt;their own&lt;/em&gt; Internet access. I think they&#039;re wrong -- I&#039;ll explain why another time -- but it&#039;s their choice. This is a mandatory system -- where the policy of what will and won&#039;t be blocked isn&#039;t even defined yet! This is poor policy-making!&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Can a centralised filter can provide the nuanced access to information which I suspect, as a non-parent myself, good parenting requires? Can managing a curious, intelligent child&#039;s access to information &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; be reduced to a few pre-defined levels of filtering chosen from a list? I doubt it.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;I simply do not like the idea of a government installing a mechanism for suppressing communication -- especially when the rules are not clear and transparent, and when critics of the plan are accused of promoting child pornography. If people do not see the potential danger here, then &lt;em&gt;they&lt;/em&gt; need to take a deep breath and think harder.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;@Michael Meloni:&lt;/strong&gt; Comments on Internet forums and news sites will mostly be from Internet-savvy people. I suspect that the calls for the Internet to be filtered come from people who don&#039;t use it themselves and are too lazy to learn about it -- so they want &quot;the guv&#039;mint&quot; to do their parenting for them.

&lt;strong&gt;@Wolf:&lt;/strong&gt; Yes, the continuation of the Coonan filtering plan could be Conroy&#039;s trojan horse for something else. But my &lt;em&gt;Crikey&lt;/em&gt; piece outlines what I think are the real politics here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Connor Moran:</strong> OK, you&#8217;ve gone the <em>ad hominem</em> route (i.e. attacking the person and not the argument) with &#8220;those like Stilgherrian&#8221; and &#8220;dunces&#8221; and &#8220;think harder&#8221; etc etc&#8230; and the straw-man of claiming I&#8217;m saying you &#8220;can&#8217;t control the Internet&#8221; &#8212; which is <em>not</em> my position.</p>
<p>My quick responses:</p>
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<li>Saying that filtering &#8220;works&#8221; depends what you mean by a working filter. A 1% false-positive rate <em>might</em> be acceptable in a small business where the problem can be fixed quickly. I doubt that it scales up well. Imagine a business which makes, oh, breast-feeding accessories trying to use Telstra BigPond support to get themselves unblocked!</li>
<li>I have no problem with a business choosing to restrict Internet access <em>for its employees</em>, or a family restricting <em>their own</em> Internet access. I think they&#8217;re wrong &#8212; I&#8217;ll explain why another time &#8212; but it&#8217;s their choice. This is a mandatory system &#8212; where the policy of what will and won&#8217;t be blocked isn&#8217;t even defined yet! This is poor policy-making!</li>
<li>Can a centralised filter can provide the nuanced access to information which I suspect, as a non-parent myself, good parenting requires? Can managing a curious, intelligent child&#8217;s access to information <em>really</em> be reduced to a few pre-defined levels of filtering chosen from a list? I doubt it.</li>
<li>I simply do not like the idea of a government installing a mechanism for suppressing communication &#8212; especially when the rules are not clear and transparent, and when critics of the plan are accused of promoting child pornography. If people do not see the potential danger here, then <em>they</em> need to take a deep breath and think harder.</li>
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<p><strong>@Michael Meloni:</strong> Comments on Internet forums and news sites will mostly be from Internet-savvy people. I suspect that the calls for the Internet to be filtered come from people who don&#8217;t use it themselves and are too lazy to learn about it &#8212; so they want &#8220;the guv&#8217;mint&#8221; to do their parenting for them.</p>
<p><strong>@Wolf:</strong> Yes, the continuation of the Coonan filtering plan could be Conroy&#8217;s trojan horse for something else. But my <em>Crikey</em> piece outlines what I think are the real politics here.</p>
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		<title>By: Connor Moran</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/politics/completely-inappropriate-senator-conroy/#comment-14329</link>
		<dc:creator>Connor Moran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t you all take a deeper breath and think harder. Our business clients ask us to provide internet filtering to their staff each and everyday. It works. They provide the internet service to those desks, they control/monitor it. Users can&#039;t get around it without an extreme amount of effort and/or detection.

Bit-shift that a bit to the left and think of the ISP providing a filtered service offering, and an optional unfiltered offering. As an example; as a parent, I choose filtered. I expect my ISP to provide their best endeavours in software/live-monitoring to exclude defined content. As a parent I DON&#039;T allow my children administrative control of our family computer, or their friends to install downloaders/proxies etc.

Those like Stilgherrian who start out by claiming that you &quot;can&#039;t control the internet&quot; are dunces.

If we applied some of the available software today, viruses and malware wouldn&#039;t be travelling untouched through ISP routers right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t you all take a deeper breath and think harder. Our business clients ask us to provide internet filtering to their staff each and everyday. It works. They provide the internet service to those desks, they control/monitor it. Users can&#8217;t get around it without an extreme amount of effort and/or detection.</p>
<p>Bit-shift that a bit to the left and think of the ISP providing a filtered service offering, and an optional unfiltered offering. As an example; as a parent, I choose filtered. I expect my ISP to provide their best endeavours in software/live-monitoring to exclude defined content. As a parent I DON&#8217;T allow my children administrative control of our family computer, or their friends to install downloaders/proxies etc.</p>
<p>Those like Stilgherrian who start out by claiming that you &#8220;can&#8217;t control the internet&#8221; are dunces.</p>
<p>If we applied some of the available software today, viruses and malware wouldn&#8217;t be travelling untouched through ISP routers right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Meloni</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/politics/completely-inappropriate-senator-conroy/#comment-14327</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Meloni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick way to sum up people&#039;s comments that I&#039;m reading on forums and news articles today: UNIVERSALLY PISSED

I&#039;ve never seen so many people all agree that a particular policy is a bad idea. I&#039;m starting to forget who even supports it besides Conroy and the AFA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick way to sum up people&#8217;s comments that I&#8217;m reading on forums and news articles today: UNIVERSALLY PISSED</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never seen so many people all agree that a particular policy is a bad idea. I&#8217;m starting to forget who even supports it besides Conroy and the AFA.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolf</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/politics/completely-inappropriate-senator-conroy/#comment-14326</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if Conroy is playing good cop bad cop.  He comes in saying he is going to do all this stuff.... which we all know wont work... then he turns around and gives us some crappy filter that is easy to get around but everyone says &quot;yes fine, that is much better than what you were offering&quot; and it gets up with little or no fuss.

Then he goes back to Steve Fielding and Nick Xenophon and says... &quot;hey I did something, now can you please pass our budget bills&quot;....

Either that or I am over thinking it and Conroy is a f*(king idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if Conroy is playing good cop bad cop.  He comes in saying he is going to do all this stuff&#8230;. which we all know wont work&#8230; then he turns around and gives us some crappy filter that is easy to get around but everyone says &#8220;yes fine, that is much better than what you were offering&#8221; and it gets up with little or no fuss.</p>
<p>Then he goes back to Steve Fielding and Nick Xenophon and says&#8230; &#8220;hey I did something, now can you please pass our budget bills&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Either that or I am over thinking it and Conroy is a f*(king idiot.</p>
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