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	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian &#183; BitTorrent vs the Supreme Court of Victoria</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/politics/teen_arrest_highlights_law_stupidity/#comment-10820</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian &#183; BitTorrent vs the Supreme Court of Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 02:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with the Corey Delaney episode before it, this highlights the stupidity of the law in the bold new age of the Internet. I have no [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/politics/teen_arrest_highlights_law_stupidity/#comment-9605</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@Simon Slade:&lt;/strong&gt; Thanks for that, Sir! I have been careful with my wording since charges were laid against the Melbourne teenagers. However I reckon it's still an odd concept when previous posts (like the millions of others online) are still there for the world to see and trivial to find.

I find the idea of going back and editing the record of the past a bit too disturbing. That's exactly what &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Smith"&gt;Winston Smith&lt;/a&gt; did for a living in &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Nineteen Eighty-Four&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Simon Slade:</strong> Thanks for that, Sir! I have been careful with my wording since charges were laid against the Melbourne teenagers. However I reckon it&#8217;s still an odd concept when previous posts (like the millions of others online) are still there for the world to see and trivial to find.</p>
<p>I find the idea of going back and editing the record of the past a bit too disturbing. That&#8217;s exactly what <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Smith">Winston Smith</a> did for a living in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four"><em>Nineteen Eighty-Four</em><em></em></a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Slade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Slade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The Advertiser&lt;/em&gt; ran with a very similar front page to the &lt;em&gt;Daily Telegraph&lt;/em&gt;.

They can do that because the law in Victoria only affects publication in Victoria.  I assume there was a different version of that story for copies of the paper being sold in Victoria.

The internet version of the story was worded to comply, and was very careful to be vague enough so as not to breach the spirit of the law.  Basically it said "One youth who attended (the party) has been charged.

Same thing happens with suppression orders, and the prohibition on publishing the names of defendants in certain cases at committal stage.

Interstate media can happily report all the suppressed details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The Advertiser</em> ran with a very similar front page to the <em>Daily Telegraph</em>.</p>
<p>They can do that because the law in Victoria only affects publication in Victoria.  I assume there was a different version of that story for copies of the paper being sold in Victoria.</p>
<p>The internet version of the story was worded to comply, and was very careful to be vague enough so as not to breach the spirit of the law.  Basically it said &#8220;One youth who attended (the party) has been charged.</p>
<p>Same thing happens with suppression orders, and the prohibition on publishing the names of defendants in certain cases at committal stage.</p>
<p>Interstate media can happily report all the suppressed details.</p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;img src='http://stilgherrian.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/corey_tele_250w.jpg' alt='Photograph of Daily Telegraph front page, 17 January 2008: [Name] Child Porn Charge' class="imageright" /&gt;

Well, if my lawyer friend reckons &lt;a href="http://uk.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUKSYD6370020080116"&gt;the Reuters story&lt;/a&gt; was over the line, then this morning's &lt;em&gt;Daily Telegraph&lt;/em&gt; crossed it and kept on running. Their page one story today blasted the headline "[Name] Child Porn Charge" -- though as I look this evening &lt;a href="http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23063838-5001021,00.html"&gt;the online version&lt;/a&gt;'s headline is a tamer "Week-long party ends in charges".

&lt;em&gt;Crikey&lt;/em&gt;'s &lt;a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/Media-Arts-and-Sports/20080117-The-Tele-names-names-and-breaches-teen-rights.html"&gt;Greg Barns writes&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Every media organisation in Australia knows this fundamental rule: when a person under the age of 18 is charged they are entitled to anonymity.

This age old rule is reflected in Victoria by section 534 of the &lt;em&gt;Children, Youth and Families Act 2005&lt;/em&gt; which says that no person shall publish any particulars of a proceeding before the Children’s Court or any other court for that matter, which is likely to lead to the identification of the child involved in the proceeding. You can apply to get the permission of the President of the Children’s Court to get that ban lifted. 

The fine for breaching this provision is $5000 if you are a corporation like a newspaper, or $1000 if you are an individual.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You know, if I were David Pemberthy editing the &lt;em&gt;Tele&lt;/em&gt;, I reckon my risk calculation would be that the risk of a mere $5000 was peanuts compared with the potential sales spike.

Barns reckons he knows where the blame lies too:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Victoria Police are not blameless in this saga either. Charging a child with possessing child pornography, when the evidence is simply a bunch of images of naked teenage girls playing Twister at a party, is a potentially a serious waste of taxpayers money and resources. How many 15-year-olds have pictures of their naked 14-year-old girlfriends on their phone or computer? A lot, is the answer.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I bow to his knowledge about what's on teenagers' phones -- but yes, naked does not equal pornography. TV adverts showing naked babies advertising toilet paper is proof enough of that!

&lt;strong&gt;@Rhys:&lt;/strong&gt; Glad to be of service! However I don't think young Corey will be serving fries and soft drinks any time soon. I doubt any employer would trust him with the cash till.

&lt;strong&gt;@Bernard:&lt;/strong&gt; AFAIK that law about piercings for minors was mooted but never made it to parliament. It'd be a state-by-state thing though, and I am not an expert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src='http://stilgherrian.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/corey_tele_250w.jpg' alt='Photograph of Daily Telegraph front page, 17 January 2008: [Name] Child Porn Charge' class="imageright" /></p>
<p>Well, if my lawyer friend reckons <a href="http://uk.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUKSYD6370020080116">the Reuters story</a> was over the line, then this morning&#8217;s <em>Daily Telegraph</em> crossed it and kept on running. Their page one story today blasted the headline &#8220;[Name] Child Porn Charge&#8221; &#8212; though as I look this evening <a href="http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23063838-5001021,00.html">the online version</a>&#8217;s headline is a tamer &#8220;Week-long party ends in charges&#8221;.</p>
<p><em>Crikey</em>&#8217;s <a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/Media-Arts-and-Sports/20080117-The-Tele-names-names-and-breaches-teen-rights.html">Greg Barns writes</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Every media organisation in Australia knows this fundamental rule: when a person under the age of 18 is charged they are entitled to anonymity.</p>
<p>This age old rule is reflected in Victoria by section 534 of the <em>Children, Youth and Families Act 2005</em> which says that no person shall publish any particulars of a proceeding before the Children’s Court or any other court for that matter, which is likely to lead to the identification of the child involved in the proceeding. You can apply to get the permission of the President of the Children’s Court to get that ban lifted. </p>
<p>The fine for breaching this provision is $5000 if you are a corporation like a newspaper, or $1000 if you are an individual.</p></blockquote>
<p>You know, if I were David Pemberthy editing the <em>Tele</em>, I reckon my risk calculation would be that the risk of a mere $5000 was peanuts compared with the potential sales spike.</p>
<p>Barns reckons he knows where the blame lies too:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Victoria Police are not blameless in this saga either. Charging a child with possessing child pornography, when the evidence is simply a bunch of images of naked teenage girls playing Twister at a party, is a potentially a serious waste of taxpayers money and resources. How many 15-year-olds have pictures of their naked 14-year-old girlfriends on their phone or computer? A lot, is the answer.</p></blockquote>
<p>I bow to his knowledge about what&#8217;s on teenagers&#8217; phones &#8212; but yes, naked does not equal pornography. TV adverts showing naked babies advertising toilet paper is proof enough of that!</p>
<p><strong>@Rhys:</strong> Glad to be of service! However I don&#8217;t think young Corey will be serving fries and soft drinks any time soon. I doubt any employer would trust him with the cash till.</p>
<p><strong>@Bernard:</strong> AFAIK that law about piercings for minors was mooted but never made it to parliament. It&#8217;d be a state-by-state thing though, and I am not an expert.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back on Corey though for a moment; who is going to get arrested for his nipple piercing? Law may be different in Vic, but I have been led to believe that a non-ear body piercing on a "minor" is statutory assault or some such...

Lawyer friends have any comments here?

Is that an urban myth, or was it a "proposed change" that never got up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back on Corey though for a moment; who is going to get arrested for his nipple piercing? Law may be different in Vic, but I have been led to believe that a non-ear body piercing on a &#8220;minor&#8221; is statutory assault or some such&#8230;</p>
<p>Lawyer friends have any comments here?</p>
<p>Is that an urban myth, or was it a &#8220;proposed change&#8221; that never got up?</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed the same thing with a (decidely!) non-minor just before xmas. The erstwhile A-G of the Solomon Islands. The media reported all the extradition proceedings, but as soon as he was in court, his name was dropped -- for legal reasons.

&lt;a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/expolitician-remanded-in-custody/2007/12/28/1198778665451.html"&gt; Ex-politician remanded in custody&lt;/a&gt;

How many other "ex politician" "Australian lawyer" "recently extradited from Honiara" "sex crimes in Vanuatu" do ya reckon there are???

Combination with the lowest denominator in all those is probably "lawyer in Honiara", but that is beside the point...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed the same thing with a (decidely!) non-minor just before xmas. The erstwhile A-G of the Solomon Islands. The media reported all the extradition proceedings, but as soon as he was in court, his name was dropped &#8212; for legal reasons.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/expolitician-remanded-in-custody/2007/12/28/1198778665451.html"> Ex-politician remanded in custody</a></p>
<p>How many other &#8220;ex politician&#8221; &#8220;Australian lawyer&#8221; &#8220;recently extradited from Honiara&#8221; &#8220;sex crimes in Vanuatu&#8221; do ya reckon there are???</p>
<p>Combination with the lowest denominator in all those is probably &#8220;lawyer in Honiara&#8221;, but that is beside the point&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rhys</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just on Corey; I can't wait until he serves me my fries and small sprite one day. I'm eager.</description>
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		<title>By: Rhys</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's reasons like this, that I keep coming back here,  I learn things and I enjoy that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s reasons like this, that I keep coming back here,  I learn things and I enjoy that</p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@Alastair Rankine:&lt;/strong&gt; Well put. However I reckon the likelihood that "the minors can be educated to avoid inappropriately disclosing their identities themselves" is as likely as educating people not to give away their passwords to strangers. That is, not bloody likely at all given that &lt;a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/20/password_surveys/"&gt;71% of office workers will give away their password for a cheap chocolate Easter egg&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Alastair Rankine:</strong> Well put. However I reckon the likelihood that &#8220;the minors can be educated to avoid inappropriately disclosing their identities themselves&#8221; is as likely as educating people not to give away their passwords to strangers. That is, not bloody likely at all given that <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/20/password_surveys/">71% of office workers will give away their password for a cheap chocolate Easter egg</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Alastair Rankine</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/politics/teen_arrest_highlights_law_stupidity/#comment-9574</link>
		<dc:creator>Alastair Rankine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trouble with the "truth is out there" defence is that it then becomes a huge incentive to invade privacy. Alice finds out some fact about Bob and puts it in a public, but not widely known, place.  Alice then notifies Carol, who gets the scoop and publishes freely based on the prior disclosure of the information. Carol issues a gift to Alice for bringing this information to her attention. Alice and Carol win, Bob loses.

Personally I'd be more inclined to regulate the identification of all minors, provided of course that the minors can be educated to avoid inappropriately disclosing their identities themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trouble with the &#8220;truth is out there&#8221; defence is that it then becomes a huge incentive to invade privacy. Alice finds out some fact about Bob and puts it in a public, but not widely known, place.  Alice then notifies Carol, who gets the scoop and publishes freely based on the prior disclosure of the information. Carol issues a gift to Alice for bringing this information to her attention. Alice and Carol win, Bob loses.</p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;d be more inclined to regulate the identification of all minors, provided of course that the minors can be educated to avoid inappropriately disclosing their identities themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@jason:&lt;/strong&gt; Indeed. In that recently-reported case, one of the victims says &lt;a href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23042193-2,00.html"&gt;he felt like "we were doing the investigation and [the police] were giving us excuses"&lt;/a&gt;.

While searching for that news story, I discovered that when introducing the &lt;em&gt;Anti-Discrimination (Homosexual Vilification) Amendment Bill&lt;/em&gt; to NSW parliament in 1993, Clover Moore stated that in 1991, &lt;a href="http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/HansArt.nsf/448b6decbe0283adca2571e1001663bb/ca256d11000bd3aa4a256459001e2e77!OpenDocument"&gt;69% of assaults in Surry Hills were gay-related&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@jason:</strong> Indeed. In that recently-reported case, one of the victims says <a href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23042193-2,00.html">he felt like &#8220;we were doing the investigation and [the police] were giving us excuses&#8221;</a>.</p>
<p>While searching for that news story, I discovered that when introducing the <em>Anti-Discrimination (Homosexual Vilification) Amendment Bill</em> to NSW parliament in 1993, Clover Moore stated that in 1991, <a href="http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/HansArt.nsf/448b6decbe0283adca2571e1001663bb/ca256d11000bd3aa4a256459001e2e77!OpenDocument">69% of assaults in Surry Hills were gay-related</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"You can’t take the piss out of the swimming pool" is such a great phrase.

The media wants us to feel constantly shocked, scared, worried, etc. And then someone like Mr. Corey comes along, and journalists everywhere act appalled, for the sake of representing an audience who (for once) have a clearly defined suburban menace.

I liken it to the RSPCA. It's much easier to focus on cats and dogs, since nobody wants to hear about the many thousands of factory farmed pigs spending most of their lives in hellish cages no bigger than their artificially fattened bodies. You'd get better karma eating a handful of maggots.

Mr. Corey is a much preferred media target than, say, genocide in Sudan, and a much more manageable quantity for the police than, say, a gay-hate attack in Surry Hills despite having footage of the attackers, which nobody sees a profit in publishing. The footage had to be dragged out of the police after a month of asking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You can’t take the piss out of the swimming pool&#8221; is such a great phrase.</p>
<p>The media wants us to feel constantly shocked, scared, worried, etc. And then someone like Mr. Corey comes along, and journalists everywhere act appalled, for the sake of representing an audience who (for once) have a clearly defined suburban menace.</p>
<p>I liken it to the RSPCA. It&#8217;s much easier to focus on cats and dogs, since nobody wants to hear about the many thousands of factory farmed pigs spending most of their lives in hellish cages no bigger than their artificially fattened bodies. You&#8217;d get better karma eating a handful of maggots.</p>
<p>Mr. Corey is a much preferred media target than, say, genocide in Sudan, and a much more manageable quantity for the police than, say, a gay-hate attack in Surry Hills despite having footage of the attackers, which nobody sees a profit in publishing. The footage had to be dragged out of the police after a month of asking.</p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly, my criminal lawyer friend tells me that arguably the Reuters quote breaches the law: "...contains any particulars &lt;em&gt;likely&lt;/em&gt; to lead to the identification..." My emphasis. Interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, my criminal lawyer friend tells me that arguably the Reuters quote breaches the law: &#8220;&#8230;contains any particulars <em>likely</em> to lead to the identification&#8230;&#8221; My emphasis. Interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@Michael Meloni:&lt;/strong&gt; And indeed, you &lt;em&gt;can't&lt;/em&gt; comment on the charges, you can only write factually about what is said by the police, or by the players in a courtroom. The legal term is &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub_judice"&gt;&lt;em&gt;sub judice&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;In law, &lt;em&gt;sub judice&lt;/em&gt;, Latin for "under judgement," means that a particular case or matter is currently under trial or being considered by a judge or court. The term may be used synonymously with "the present case" or "the case at bar" by some lawyers.

In England and Wales, New Zealand, Australia, India and Canada it is generally considered inappropriate to publicly comment on cases &lt;em&gt;sub judice&lt;/em&gt; and can even be an offence in itself, leading to &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_court"&gt;contempt of court&lt;/a&gt; proceedings. This is particularly true in criminal cases, where publicly discussing cases &lt;em&gt;sub judice&lt;/em&gt; may constitute interference with &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process"&gt;due process&lt;/a&gt;.

In the United States, there are &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment"&gt;First Amendment&lt;/a&gt; concerns about stifling the right of free speech which prevent such tight restrictions on comments &lt;em&gt;sub judice&lt;/em&gt;. However, there are still protections for criminal defendants and those convicted in an atmosphere of a circus have had their convictions overturned for a fairer trial.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Journalists and media producers like myself are trained in this stuff &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; early on in our careers. The blogosphere is not necessarily as well-educated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Michael Meloni:</strong> And indeed, you <em>can&#8217;t</em> comment on the charges, you can only write factually about what is said by the police, or by the players in a courtroom. The legal term is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub_judice"><em>sub judice</em></a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>In law, <em>sub judice</em>, Latin for &#8220;under judgement,&#8221; means that a particular case or matter is currently under trial or being considered by a judge or court. The term may be used synonymously with &#8220;the present case&#8221; or &#8220;the case at bar&#8221; by some lawyers.</p>
<p>In England and Wales, New Zealand, Australia, India and Canada it is generally considered inappropriate to publicly comment on cases <em>sub judice</em> and can even be an offence in itself, leading to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_court">contempt of court</a> proceedings. This is particularly true in criminal cases, where publicly discussing cases <em>sub judice</em> may constitute interference with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process">due process</a>.</p>
<p>In the United States, there are <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment">First Amendment</a> concerns about stifling the right of free speech which prevent such tight restrictions on comments <em>sub judice</em>. However, there are still protections for criminal defendants and those convicted in an atmosphere of a circus have had their convictions overturned for a fairer trial.</p></blockquote>
<p>Journalists and media producers like myself are trained in this stuff <em>very</em> early on in our careers. The blogosphere is not necessarily as well-educated.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Meloni</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/politics/teen_arrest_highlights_law_stupidity/#comment-9565</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Meloni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting development. Too early though to comment on the charges until I hear more. Just too murky atm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting development. Too early though to comment on the charges until I hear more. Just too murky atm.</p>
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