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	<title>Comments on: The lies of the internet censors: Your. Filter. Won&#8217;t. Work.</title>
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		<title>By: Sean Carmody</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/politics/the-lies-of-the-internet-censors-your-filter-wont-work/#comment-14994</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Carmody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 02:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Marr makes an excellent point in &lt;em&gt;The Monthly&lt;/em&gt; on this topic when he refers to &quot;the deep politics of censorhip that survives untouched by time: being effective is never crucial. Governments only have to show they&#039;re doing all they can&quot;. Conroy &lt;em&gt;et al&lt;/em&gt; are deaf to the criticisms because they simply don&#039;t care that it don&#039;t work. It&#039;s all about the optics of doing something about child pornography. It&#039;s a cynical perspective, but doubtless the correct one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Marr makes an excellent point in <em>The Monthly</em> on this topic when he refers to &#8220;the deep politics of censorhip that survives untouched by time: being effective is never crucial. Governments only have to show they&#8217;re doing all they can&#8221;. Conroy <em>et al</em> are deaf to the criticisms because they simply don&#8217;t care that it don&#8217;t work. It&#8217;s all about the optics of doing something about child pornography. It&#8217;s a cynical perspective, but doubtless the correct one.</p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/politics/the-lies-of-the-internet-censors-your-filter-wont-work/#comment-14991</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 02:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should post here my &quot;clarification&quot; which was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crikey.com.au/Your-Say/20081218-Comments-corrections-clarifications-and-cckups.html&quot;&gt;published in &lt;em&gt;Crikey&lt;/em&gt; on Thursday&lt;/a&gt;...

&lt;blockquote&gt;I said the government&#039;s Phase 2 trials of internet filters were another closed test, without actual customers, not the promised &quot;live&quot; field test. Not quite right. There&#039;s two tests going one. One is a &quot;scalability test&quot; of ISP filtering technology using a hypothetical test list of 10,000 URLs. &quot;This part of the pilot does not require customer involvement and will be completed in a closed network environment,&quot; says Senator Conroy&#039;s office. The other is the in-ISP test with customers.

&quot;The Expressions of Interest document makes clear that we intend to trial filtering of the ACMA blacklist on a live network with customers. Customers will also be involved in trials of options to filter a broader range of internet content,&quot; they say. Whether ISPs take part in the blocking of the &quot;broader range&quot; of material is optional. Optus, for example, will not.

Meanwhile, respected network engineer Glen Turner, who &lt;del datetime=&quot;2008-12-21T05:47:38+00:00&quot;&gt;runs&lt;/del&gt; &lt;ins datetime=&quot;2008-12-21T05:47:38+00:00&quot;&gt;works for&lt;/ins&gt; the universities&#039; Australia&#039;s Academic &amp; Research Network (AARNet) &lt;a href=&quot;http://mailman.anu.edu.au/pipermail/link/2008-December/080585.html&quot;&gt;suggests&lt;/a&gt; the 10,000 URLs is a &quot;useless number&quot;. &quot;What the government are testing &lt;em&gt;isn&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; what any sane ISP would deploy,&quot; he writes, saying it&#039;s the wrong hardware and the wrong software.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

On Friday afternoon, we had the news that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,28348,24823359-5014239,00.html&quot;&gt;the government has yet to notify the trial participants&lt;/a&gt; whether they&#039;re in or not. The trials are meant to start before Christmas, and that only leaves three working days. Actually, the trials were originally meant to be &lt;em&gt;completed&lt;/em&gt; by Christmas, but that milestone seems to have slipped without any really explanation. Senator Conroy really is the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crikey.com.au/Politics/20081030-Conroy-a-fearless-combatant-in-the-war-against-free-speech.html&quot;&gt;Minister for Delaying Things&lt;/a&gt;, as Bernard Keane calls him.

Here&#039;s another thought. If the &quot;live trial&quot; is meant to test the performance of Internet filters in the real world, what use is a test over the Christmas and January period when commercial Internet traffic is way down because people are on holidays?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should post here my &#8220;clarification&#8221; which was <a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/Your-Say/20081218-Comments-corrections-clarifications-and-cckups.html">published in <em>Crikey</em> on Thursday</a>&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>I said the government&#8217;s Phase 2 trials of internet filters were another closed test, without actual customers, not the promised &#8220;live&#8221; field test. Not quite right. There&#8217;s two tests going one. One is a &#8220;scalability test&#8221; of ISP filtering technology using a hypothetical test list of 10,000 URLs. &#8220;This part of the pilot does not require customer involvement and will be completed in a closed network environment,&#8221; says Senator Conroy&#8217;s office. The other is the in-ISP test with customers.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Expressions of Interest document makes clear that we intend to trial filtering of the ACMA blacklist on a live network with customers. Customers will also be involved in trials of options to filter a broader range of internet content,&#8221; they say. Whether ISPs take part in the blocking of the &#8220;broader range&#8221; of material is optional. Optus, for example, will not.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, respected network engineer Glen Turner, who <del datetime="2008-12-21T05:47:38+00:00">runs</del> <ins datetime="2008-12-21T05:47:38+00:00">works for</ins> the universities&#8217; Australia&#8217;s Academic &#038; Research Network (AARNet) <a href="http://mailman.anu.edu.au/pipermail/link/2008-December/080585.html">suggests</a> the 10,000 URLs is a &#8220;useless number&#8221;. &#8220;What the government are testing <em>isn&#8217;t</em> what any sane ISP would deploy,&#8221; he writes, saying it&#8217;s the wrong hardware and the wrong software.</p></blockquote>
<p>On Friday afternoon, we had the news that <a href="http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,28348,24823359-5014239,00.html">the government has yet to notify the trial participants</a> whether they&#8217;re in or not. The trials are meant to start before Christmas, and that only leaves three working days. Actually, the trials were originally meant to be <em>completed</em> by Christmas, but that milestone seems to have slipped without any really explanation. Senator Conroy really is the <a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/Politics/20081030-Conroy-a-fearless-combatant-in-the-war-against-free-speech.html">Minister for Delaying Things</a>, as Bernard Keane calls him.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another thought. If the &#8220;live trial&#8221; is meant to test the performance of Internet filters in the real world, what use is a test over the Christmas and January period when commercial Internet traffic is way down because people are on holidays?</p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian &#183; Lame parrots try to defend Internet censorship</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/politics/the-lies-of-the-internet-censors-your-filter-wont-work/#comment-14987</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian &#183; Lame parrots try to defend Internet censorship</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The lies of the internet censors: Your. Filter. Won’t. Work. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Censorship/ ISP Filtering Update &#124; Sean the Blogonaut</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/politics/the-lies-of-the-internet-censors-your-filter-wont-work/#comment-14979</link>
		<dc:creator>Censorship/ ISP Filtering Update &#124; Sean the Blogonaut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] gives us The lies of the internet censors, in which he pummels Bernadette McMenamin and gives us a nice run down on the debate and asks why [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Zern</title>
		<link>http://stilgherrian.com/politics/the-lies-of-the-internet-censors-your-filter-wont-work/#comment-14914</link>
		<dc:creator>Zern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice piece on &lt;em&gt;Crikey&lt;/em&gt;. Straight to the point. Just the right amount of justified indignation, and good clear facts as always. Well done. Loved it.

I am actually personally insulted by Bernadette&#039;s comment that I advocate kiddie porn because I find the filtering hoo-hah utterly farcical and pointless. It is but another easy, simplistic fix -- like taking paracetamol to dull the pain of a cancer so you can ignore it. Wilful ignorance is a powerful force indeed, especially when coupled with the temptation of an easy fix.

I call for Bernadette&#039;s resignation. Her lack of professionalism, and the failure of judgement on her part is inexcusable. We should reconsider donating funds to ChildWise.

We don&#039;t need more lies and moralistic hysterical fearmongering. These only get in the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice piece on <em>Crikey</em>. Straight to the point. Just the right amount of justified indignation, and good clear facts as always. Well done. Loved it.</p>
<p>I am actually personally insulted by Bernadette&#8217;s comment that I advocate kiddie porn because I find the filtering hoo-hah utterly farcical and pointless. It is but another easy, simplistic fix &#8212; like taking paracetamol to dull the pain of a cancer so you can ignore it. Wilful ignorance is a powerful force indeed, especially when coupled with the temptation of an easy fix.</p>
<p>I call for Bernadette&#8217;s resignation. Her lack of professionalism, and the failure of judgement on her part is inexcusable. We should reconsider donating funds to ChildWise.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need more lies and moralistic hysterical fearmongering. These only get in the way.</p>
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