Comments on: Whaddyareckon of the Ruddblog? http://stilgherrian.com/politics/whaddyareckon-of-the-ruddblog/ All publication is a political act. All communication is propaganda. All art is pornography. All business is personal. All hail Eris. Vive les poissons rouges sauvages! Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:16:06 +1100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Dean http://stilgherrian.com/politics/whaddyareckon-of-the-ruddblog/#comment-25987 Dean Sat, 18 Jul 2009 00:14:50 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/?p=4859#comment-25987 I like #ruddblocked. I like #ruddblocked.

]]> By: Stilgherrian http://stilgherrian.com/politics/whaddyareckon-of-the-ruddblog/#comment-25984 Stilgherrian Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:28:22 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/?p=4859#comment-25984 Gentlemen, you've just proposed a classic example of <a href="http://blog.futurestreetconsulting.com/?p=11">Gilmore's Law</a>: <blockquote>The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.</blockquote> "Moderation", "editing" and "censorship" are almost synonyms. They all mean the process of someone selecting what information will and will not be visible to the audience. The only difference is, perhaps, intent -- though it gets pretty subtle at times. A better hashtag would be <strong>#ruddblocked</strong> though. Gentlemen, you’ve just proposed a classic example of Gilmore’s Law:

The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.

“Moderation”, “editing” and “censorship” are almost synonyms. They all mean the process of someone selecting what information will and will not be visible to the audience. The only difference is, perhaps, intent — though it gets pretty subtle at times.

A better hashtag would be #ruddblocked though.

]]> By: Sean the Blogonaut http://stilgherrian.com/politics/whaddyareckon-of-the-ruddblog/#comment-25981 Sean the Blogonaut Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:34:46 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/?p=4859#comment-25981 @Yewenyi, So set up "Not the PM's blog" with a link to each of his postings? Interesting idea particularly if it was more popular than the original. @Yewenyi,

So set up “Not the PM’s blog” with a link to each of his postings? Interesting idea particularly if it was more popular than the original.

]]> By: Dean http://stilgherrian.com/politics/whaddyareckon-of-the-ruddblog/#comment-25980 Dean Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:20:13 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/?p=4859#comment-25980 On review, the blog looks more like a Discuss-this-recycled-content site. I get the feeling old discussions will be removed to make way for the new. PMDidn'tPublish posts will need to quote whatever parts of the post, or the comments, they're commenting on. Someone needs to explain tags to the PM too. On review, the blog looks more like a Discuss-this-recycled-content site. I get the feeling old discussions will be removed to make way for the new. PMDidn’tPublish posts will need to quote whatever parts of the post, or the comments, they’re commenting on.

Someone needs to explain tags to the PM too.

]]> By: Dean http://stilgherrian.com/politics/whaddyareckon-of-the-ruddblog/#comment-25975 Dean Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:42:12 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/?p=4859#comment-25975 I see an easy workaround to the comment moderation issue: a tag. If someone tries to comment on a post and it's denied, post it to your own blog and tag it with something like PMDidn'tPublish*. Tag searches or trackers/aggregators (Technorati, etc) will soon put together a picture of the unpublished comments. That would be more interesting than the sanctioned conversation I suspect. * I know Wordpress tags can be phrases rather than run-together phrases like hashtags. Don't know about other CMS'. I see an easy workaround to the comment moderation issue: a tag. If someone tries to comment on a post and it’s denied, post it to your own blog and tag it with something like PMDidn’tPublish*. Tag searches or trackers/aggregators (Technorati, etc) will soon put together a picture of the unpublished comments. That would be more interesting than the sanctioned conversation I suspect.

* I know Wordpress tags can be phrases rather than run-together phrases like hashtags. Don’t know about other CMS’.

]]> By: yewenyi http://stilgherrian.com/politics/whaddyareckon-of-the-ruddblog/#comment-25950 yewenyi Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:49:56 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/?p=4859#comment-25950 I also do not think it will work in his carefully groomed world of PR and Spin. It is just a new outlet for the "message". But the comments thing is easily bypassed. But set up the comments somewhere else where they can be unmoderated. I also do not think it will work in his carefully groomed world of PR and Spin. It is just a new outlet for the “message”. But the comments thing is easily bypassed. But set up the comments somewhere else where they can be unmoderated.

]]> By: MattR http://stilgherrian.com/politics/whaddyareckon-of-the-ruddblog/#comment-25944 MattR Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:44:34 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/?p=4859#comment-25944 I think commenters on government blogs should get their own set of stages: <strong>Disbelief.</strong> What the hell were they thinking? Is everyone in the government totally ignorant of internet culture? Do they even know what a blog is? (Check out the <a href="http://www.pm.gov.au/Help#blog">help section</a> on KRudd's site. It's like explaining a blog to your grandmother. And KRudd's blog doesn't fit the definition laid out there, leading to...) <strong>Frustration.</strong> Stupid moderation. Stupid lack of linking. Stupid press-release style. Stupid ... <strong>Nausea.</strong> Why the hell do I keep coming back? It just makes me angry and sick trying to read anything on here. <strong>Frustration.</strong> What!? They still haven't addressed any of the technical issues? And it still reads like a press release. <strong>Disregard.</strong> The what blog? Where did it go? There's no links to it anywhere anymore... (I'm looking at <em>you</em>, Conroy!) I think commenters on government blogs should get their own set of stages:

Disbelief. What the hell were they thinking? Is everyone in the government totally ignorant of internet culture? Do they even know what a blog is? (Check out the help section on KRudd’s site. It’s like explaining a blog to your grandmother. And KRudd’s blog doesn’t fit the definition laid out there, leading to…)
Frustration. Stupid moderation. Stupid lack of linking. Stupid press-release style. Stupid …
Nausea. Why the hell do I keep coming back? It just makes me angry and sick trying to read anything on here.
Frustration. What!? They still haven’t addressed any of the technical issues? And it still reads like a press release.
Disregard. The what blog? Where did it go? There’s no links to it anywhere anymore… (I’m looking at you, Conroy!)

]]> By: Stilgherrian http://stilgherrian.com/politics/whaddyareckon-of-the-ruddblog/#comment-25942 Stilgherrian Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:20:42 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/?p=4859#comment-25942 <strong>@MattR:</strong> I'm starting to think there's a series of compulsory stages you have to go through when adopting social media, similar to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model">the 5 stages of grief</a> proposed by the late <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_K%C3%BCbler-Ross">Elisabeth Kübler-Ross</a> -- who, I might add, I had the very great pleasure of interviewing back last century. <blockquote>Denial Anger Bargaining Depression Acceptance</blockquote> Now I'm wondering what those stages might be, and what order they might come in. At least one of them is "fear" or "paranoia". Certainly one of them is "acceptance" or "release" or something. <strong>Anyone got any suggestions?</stong> @MattR: I’m starting to think there’s a series of compulsory stages you have to go through when adopting social media, similar to the 5 stages of grief proposed by the late Elisabeth Kübler-Ross — who, I might add, I had the very great pleasure of interviewing back last century.

Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

Now I’m wondering what those stages might be, and what order they might come in. At least one of them is “fear” or “paranoia”. Certainly one of them is “acceptance” or “release” or something.

Anyone got any suggestions?

]]> By: History repeats. Already. All hail the PMS blog! « In Touch With The Obvious. Mostly. http://stilgherrian.com/politics/whaddyareckon-of-the-ruddblog/#comment-25939 History repeats. Already. All hail the PMS blog! « In Touch With The Obvious. Mostly. Fri, 17 Jul 2009 06:52:48 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/?p=4859#comment-25939 [...] (Hat tip: Stilgherrian). [...] [...] (Hat tip: Stilgherrian). [...]

]]> By: MattR http://stilgherrian.com/politics/whaddyareckon-of-the-ruddblog/#comment-25936 MattR Fri, 17 Jul 2009 06:19:35 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/?p=4859#comment-25936 (Sorry for the double-post, but a work colleague just pointed out that this would explain the hairdryer incident. Couldn't leave that un-posted.) (Sorry for the double-post, but a work colleague just pointed out that this would explain the hairdryer incident. Couldn’t leave that un-posted.)

]]> By: MattR http://stilgherrian.com/politics/whaddyareckon-of-the-ruddblog/#comment-25935 MattR Fri, 17 Jul 2009 06:17:37 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/?p=4859#comment-25935 Does anyone else get that vaguely nauseous feeling that always accompanied visiting Conroy's DBCDEQSTRIANAERGH blog? (They really should have just bough a domain name.) Also just noticed, that if you just use lowercase (which is fine, since as we web-savvy peeps know, urls are case-agnostic), you now get /pm_connect/pms_blog. BEST ACRONYM EVER! Does anyone else get that vaguely nauseous feeling that always accompanied visiting Conroy’s DBCDEQSTRIANAERGH blog? (They really should have just bough a domain name.)

Also just noticed, that if you just use lowercase (which is fine, since as we web-savvy peeps know, urls are case-agnostic), you now get /pm_connect/pms_blog.

BEST ACRONYM EVER!

]]> By: Stilgherrian http://stilgherrian.com/politics/whaddyareckon-of-the-ruddblog/#comment-25926 Stilgherrian Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:04:38 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/?p=4859#comment-25926 <strong>@The~SARACEN:</strong> I wonder, then, what specific word(s) triggered the spam filter? The only sensible possibilities I can see are the topic of content filtering, or Senator Conroy. Or perhaps some combination. That raises the common "social media expert" point that it's silly to pretend that certain conversations don't exist. The conversations <em>will</em> happen. If you block them at your own website, they'll just happen somewhere else -- somewhere where your own voice may not be present. <strong>@daiskmeliadorn:</strong> Ta for the correction. The main post has been updated. @The~SARACEN: I wonder, then, what specific word(s) triggered the spam filter? The only sensible possibilities I can see are the topic of content filtering, or Senator Conroy. Or perhaps some combination.

That raises the common “social media expert” point that it’s silly to pretend that certain conversations don’t exist. The conversations will happen. If you block them at your own website, they’ll just happen somewhere else — somewhere where your own voice may not be present.

@daiskmeliadorn: Ta for the correction. The main post has been updated.

]]> By: Stilgherrian · Ruddblog: populist masterstroke or full of fail? http://stilgherrian.com/politics/whaddyareckon-of-the-ruddblog/#comment-25923 Stilgherrian · Ruddblog: populist masterstroke or full of fail? Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:36:24 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/?p=4859#comment-25923 [...] I’m also in Crikey today on the Prime Minister’s new blog, with a piece called Ruddblog: populist masterstroke or full of fail? Needless to say, I think it’s the latter. You may like to comment over at Crikey, or continue the conversation on my post from this morning. [...] [...] I’m also in Crikey today on the Prime Minister’s new blog, with a piece called Ruddblog: populist masterstroke or full of fail? Needless to say, I think it’s the latter. You may like to comment over at Crikey, or continue the conversation on my post from this morning. [...]

]]> By: Fran Barlow http://stilgherrian.com/politics/whaddyareckon-of-the-ruddblog/#comment-25921 Fran Barlow Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:11:06 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/?p=4859#comment-25921 I heard of the blog on Newsradio yesterday morning and went to the trouble of tracking it down. It wasn't easy and in the end I only found it via "twitter" -- so the PR side is definitely not up to speed. Still, the more substantive point is that the site can't possibly amount to any direct information channel to the PM -- and it's hard to imagine in practice how any such channel could -- given the extent of the constituency which it nominally addresses. Thanks for the translation -- I'd forgotten the idiom that "goldfish" was "red fish" in French I heard of the blog on Newsradio yesterday morning and went to the trouble of tracking it down. It wasn’t easy and in the end I only found it via “twitter” — so the PR side is definitely not up to speed.

Still, the more substantive point is that the site can’t possibly amount to any direct information channel to the PM — and it’s hard to imagine in practice how any such channel could — given the extent of the constituency which it nominally addresses.

Thanks for the translation — I’d forgotten the idiom that “goldfish” was “red fish” in French

]]> By: The~SARACEN http://stilgherrian.com/politics/whaddyareckon-of-the-ruddblog/#comment-25920 The~SARACEN Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:57:34 +0000 http://stilgherrian.com/?p=4859#comment-25920 Like I said, though, Stil, it wasn't the Mods that labelled it as spam: it was an automated response. As in, I clicked "Post", and the resulting page said "Your posting ... has been automatically flagged by our spam filters as being inappropriate for this website." I dunno, maybe I'm just looking for conspiracies. But the way that magpie over there keeps looking like it's hiding something makes me wonder... Like I said, though, Stil, it wasn’t the Mods that labelled it as spam: it was an automated response. As in, I clicked “Post”, and the resulting page said “Your posting … has been automatically flagged by our spam filters as being inappropriate for this website.”

I dunno, maybe I’m just looking for conspiracies. But the way that magpie over there keeps looking like it’s hiding something makes me wonder…

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