The 9pm Cornucopia of Tech Policy Pleasures with Johanna Weaver and Zoe Jay Hawkins

Two women stand looking into the camera. Both are wearing white t-shirts. Both have their arms folded. On the left is Johanna Weaver, with brushed-up greying hair, bright pink earrings, and glasses. On the right is Zoe Hawkins, with long straight black hair worn loose. Both are trying to look more serious than they actually are.
Johanna Weaver (left) and Zoe Jay Hawkins from the Tech Policy Design Institute. (Photos: Supplied)

From Australia’s teen social media ban to AI safety, there’s so many tech policy matters these days! So to wrap up the summer series — finally! — I decided to chat with Johanna Weaver and Zoe Jay Hawkins from the Tech Policy Design Institute in Canberra.

In this episode we talk about how Australia as a middle power can participate in global tech policy. We chat about AI slop, the battle between Anthropic and the Pentagon, the digital duty of care, and of course the social media age restrictions.

This episode was recorded on 11 March 2026, so some of the topical references may be slightly dated.

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CONVERSATION TOPICS: None this time.

THREE TRIGGER WORDS: Bernard Walsh, Garth Kidd, Paul Williams, Peter Lieverdink, Peter Wickins, and one person who chooses to remain anonymous.

WE WILL, WE WILL JUDGE YOU, part of Another Untitled Music Podcast: Joanna Forbes, Martin English, and one person who chooses to remain anonymous.

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RECOMMEND A SONG TO US, another part of Another Untitled Music Podcast: Briala Bowmer, Kimberley Heitman, Mindy Johnson, and Rhydwyn.

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PERSONALISED AUDIO MESSAGE: Matthew Taylor, and one person who chooses to remain anonymous.

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MEDIA FREEDOM CITIZENS who contributed a BASIC TIP: None of these either, which is curious.

And another ten people who chose to have no reward at all, even though some of them were the most generous of all. Thank you all so much. You know who you are.

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