Stilgherrian (@stilgherrian)

Wentworth Falls NSW AU

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June 25th, 2008

Crabb gives SMH credit for making Hugh Atkin. Black disagrees, his quality made itself. Yes, was also on Lateline, ABC, etc etc.

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Crabb: There is room for coexistence. When bloggers DO break stories, MSM picks them up and credits.

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Matt Bai asks: If Aust bloggers don’t break stories but “only” comment, but want respect, what do they want respect FOR?

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Peter is hopeful for future: his 17/18yo students identify themselves politically on Facebook, shows high level of awareness.

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Then the public: We have a few viral videos from Hugh Atkin and a few others, but nothing like the level of the US.

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MSM say they embrace this new tech thru blogs-not-blogs, but then ridicule the bloggers already there. Not really embracing it.

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Now to the media… OK, Peter, keep putting in the knife… ;)

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Activity stops when election over: obviously just an election gimmick. Politicians just not genuinely engaging the new media.

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Politicians are either totally ignorant/unaware of these technologies… Howard’s YouTube stuff and Kevin07 site just the start.

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Peter Black: Aust political blogosphere healthy, less partisan, less likely to break news.

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What role do forums play in all these areas? As an enabler. Still need to motivate with vision and passion.

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Textor agrees people self-select “too much”, read stuff that reinforces their own prefs. Means harder to reach the swing voters.

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Textor just said you can use internet forums to organise mailouts… old clashed with new in his head! Blooph!

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DEAR FAILWHALE PLEAZE DOES NOT EATS MY TWEETS, ESPECIALLY WHEN GOOD KTHXBYE!

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Yay! http://ustream.tv/nickho… is now streaming live from … live view of the panel discussion.

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Mark Textor: Political campaigns are ALWAYS a mix of strategies to retain base, persuade swingers, suppress antis.

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Crabb reminds us of Hillary Clinton’s Bosnia error, referencing “sharpshooters” when footage available online for ppl to see.

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Journalists in a strange existential limbo as people are now surrounded by info anyway. Does motivation behind information matter?

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Sorry trying to focus on key points of Annabel’s intro piece but I got distracted.

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Annabel Crabb [yay finally a panellist]: Admits her blog isn’t really a blog, says John Howard YouTube message a crowd fave.

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PLS SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LET THE PANELLISTS SPEAK KTHXBAI!

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[Insert lots of statistics on US political campaign which we can all Google for ourselves, just like you did before the panel.]

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Panel chairman, please intro.moderate panel, does not want your speech, we does knoe people use teh internets now kthxbai!

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On the other hand, do we become more connected? [I am feeling deja vu again… be warned, panel.]

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Opportunity for people to enter one of myriad of info silos, people only hear what they want to hear.

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Media is fragmenting: handful of TV stations vs now what Murdoch says is once in 500 year change where consumer is in control.

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Faster comms, interactivity, no such thing as a secret any more. People under age 25 have less sense of privacy.

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Tony Surtees chair panel: “Technology doesn’t change politics in itself, it’s an enabler”. Microphone is teh FAIL.

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@franksting Yes, the Cultural Cringe means we must always follow what happens in The Big Countries.

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Panel 1 about to start… Old Australian political TVCs on big screen. Stand by for more tweetage.

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… Mark Textor of Crosby Textor, who ran the Howard government’s failed re-election campaign. OK, coffee break! W00tage!

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Annabel Crabb from the Sydney Morning Herald; Peter Black from QUT; …

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Panel 1: “Blogging, social networks, political movements and the media”

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Wrapping up for coffee break… will post names of next panel then go dark for a few mins…

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@jeffsonstein Bai sees that at least Aust has SOME sort of national braodband plan, in US it’s left to “market forces”.

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Q: Responsiveness: Howard govt ignored vast majority of petitions. Any examples of US increasing responsiveness?

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A lot of discussion now about how this works, and previous campaigners are now out re-organising parties at LOCAL level. [My caps.]

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Matt: Many more people identify as Democrats than only a couple of years ago, new advantage of party identity.

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Q: Has the rise of the online political movement reduce the %age of people who identify with parties? Parties’ response?

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Matt: “This works particularly well at the local level.” Note that, @mpesce!

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Matt: “I live in Washington DC, which is of course the cultural, dining and fashion capital of America.”

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Q: Are you seeing govt in US actually this tech as a vehicle for better govt & faster/better decisiotech

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This is a new kind of social equity that we MUST get our heads around.

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We have to figure out a way to bring the internet to EVERYBODY, including rural areas and slums, or prosperity will be teh fail.

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Campaigners currently working twice as hard ‘cos doing BOTH TV and online, in 10 years that won’t be the case.

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Matt: I’m not an expert. Aust’s think ists so far behind, I don’t see that. 18mo ago US nowhere near where it is today.

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Q: Insights on global politics and technology? Particularly with population growth, baby boomer demographic.

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McCain is seen as a reformer, Obama is exctiing and has strengths, can see either winning by a lot. Lots of fluidity!

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Matt: This is a pretty exciting campaign between 2 exciting candidates, your characterisation isn’t right.

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Hockey: As Workplace Relations minister I knew that they’d all be union officials pretending to be Daphne from Dapto.

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Hockey: There IS talkback radio, but we did little last election because callers to talkback are all controlled…

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Green: ABC’s Q&A is the first non-controlled thing that we have in Aust, like the US ‘town meeting’ on TV. We see that as weitech

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… that’s not an internet thing, that’s a control freak thing.

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Green: Ask for comments from Lib candidates unlikely to win, you’re referred to head office…

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Lundy: There’s an emerging demographic which expects more personal interaction. Party rules will have to change, allow flexibility.

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Lundy: How free ARE politicians free to participate in independent forums? That’s about party discipline.

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Bai: That’s why Obama represents something very different.

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Hockey: How much time would congressman spend raising money? Bai: Obscene amount of time. Hockey: No time for constituents then.

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Panel discussion hots up finally! Politicians and a journo on stage. Passion! How to summarise?

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Matt Bai: You’re still taking their money, just thru federal means not directly thru donations.

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Lundy: Key difference between Aust and US politics: money. Different structure and a gazillion $ fuel US campaigns.

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Hockey: Me and Kevin on Sunrise was when the mums and dads go their politics.

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Hockey: “NineMSN looks like it’s given up on news.” He doesn’t bother any more.

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Hockey: “One of the more useful political tools I find is Crikey, tough they get it wrong all the time. Best news info site is ABC”

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Hockey: “As if we’re not engaged! We live and breathe engagement! 20 million commentators in Aust!”

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Hockey: Media calls start at 0500, end at 2300, asked to comment on 700-page report the very next day.

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Hockey: As a member of parliament, you HAVE to communicate with your constituents in a lot of different ways.

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Hockey: 2rd Aust politicians to have a website. First, richardalston.com, became a porn site. So he registered joehockey.com …

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Lundy has to go chair a committee shortly. Doesn’t trust deputy? Is this that “control” word again?

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Lundy: Far more efficient for me to particulate in other existing forums/blogs than maintain her own website.

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Lundy: Her Joomla-based site is very much an experiment in doing daily interaction.

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(Lundy wasn’t here for first panel, has to leave in 20 mins, so is being repetitive. Is only turning up for your bit rude?)

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Lundy: Compulsory voting changes things here, ‘cos we don’t have to motivate people to vote at all.

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Bartlett: A lot of politicians’ day-to-day work is important, not exciting, so doesn’t get media. Blogs lets him talk directly.

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Bartlett: Outlines blogs/wikis as cross-pollenisation of ideas, not discussion of existing ideas. Doesn’t see govt able to do it.

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Joe Hockey, Liberal North Sydney; Sen Andrew Bartlett, Democrats Qld; Sen Kate Lundy, Labor ACT; election analyst Antony Green

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Panel 2 starts: “Politics 2.0: information technology and the future of political campaigning”

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I will have to summarise the responses later, sorry, because it was the densest batch of ideas all morning.

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… so why are media NOW, politicians NOW not using the tools which are there NOW?

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All the folks who don’t use this tech (which is alrady there) sound like virgins taking about oral sex…

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OK, I got a speech & question in. Will try to summarisetech

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Trying to snarf the microphone…

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Textor: The blogosphere is seen as this virginal thing. Who’s to say political parties won’t organise them to their own ends?

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Textor: Challenge for politicians to create packages which last beyond the current news cycle.

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Crabb talking about pressure on MSM outlets to deal with shorter news cycles. Hmmm… media “cycle” is an industrial idea, surely?

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Does Tony Surtees ever say anything which doesn’t start with quoting a statistic? Sheesh!

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Black asked to name political blogs: Club Troppo, Lavartus Prodeo…

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Black: “If you are only consuming MSN in Aust you are getting a fairly limited perspective of the world.”

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Black: Agrees Cynicism point is interesting. 6mo after start blogging, his aunt ask why people would want to read what he thinks.

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Crabb: It’s a matter of finding the people who speak to you, getting groups together with critical mass of information.

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Crabb: “It’s not just bloggers who people accuse of having their hand on it a little bit… though not in my case so much.”

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Q: How do you engage time-poor Kevin Rudd working families? Can’t sit on the internet all day! Who do bloggers think they are?

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My take: Gosh, shock, people TALK AMONGST THEMSELVES not just sit and LISTEN TO YOU!

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Textor: People do go beyond sound-bites and use other sources to gather context for bites. Naive to think it’s either/or MSM/blogs.

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Surtees just said something I disagree with, I can’t be bothered typing it. This is MY silo, arseholes!

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On cable TV they see people who read the newspaper and have an opinion, couch potato says “I can do that!”

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Empowerment is the positive side, but negative is devaluation of institutions and their accumulated expertise.

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Bai says: There’s a devaluation of expertise. “If I can go online and do everything for myself, why do I need the expert?”

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@SnarkyPlatypus OK, let’s make one thing clear… I AM NOT RICHARD GLOVER’S TARGET MARKET!

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OK, the plan changed. We’re actually at Kelly’s On King, Newtown, @ApostrophePong and me.

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Wow, you CAN uplink live video from a moving vehicle on the M5!

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Currently live from the M5 on Ustream! http://stilgherrian.com/… etc… join me!

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Approx 60km from Sydney, peak hour traffic slows Hume HIghway a little south of M5.

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Listening to Richard Glover on ABC 702, @Nickhodge and I simultaneously shout, “Fuck off!”

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About to lose 3G on the Federal Highway. Offline. In Sydney maybe 1830? [Shrugs at driver.]

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About to wrap up in Canberra, will see about when I’ll respond to all the commentary…

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Will tweet more, respond to comments, after lunch.

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Time’s up, wrap, applause, thank you Microsoft. Lunch is served.

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Audience: But Web 2.0 means it’s not just you talking, you have UGC with your supporters talking to others to promote you.

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Hockey: Internet is hugely time-intensive for the reach it gets.

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Hockey: Journalists spend more time interviewing journalists than they do interviewing politicians.

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Green: Technology changes all the time, but it’s not going to happen before the next election.

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Hockey: The qquestion is, do you have time to sit there and be interactive?

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Hockey: When you are time poor, you want your information quickly. Health info is a major driver to internet. [Huh?]

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Hockey: I think there’s SOME sense in what you say… [audience laughs].

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Bai: The internet lets people set their OWN level of engagement. 10 mins a week? 8 hours a day? It’s all good.

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Mat Bai: When broadband gets into the home, the way they use information changes. The computer replaces a TV in the kitchen.

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When asked, 60% of audience has iPods, 1/3 listen to podcasts. Podcasts replace talkback radio in cars?

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Hockey: Video of Belinda Neal just 6000 views on YouTube, Daily Telegraph gives it 7 pages. Audience: That shows the disconnect.

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@stockly: You just said staffers put out anonymous videos, but then go at blog commenters for being anonymous!

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Hockey: I get 1000 emails a day and they all expect a reply.

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Hockey: “It’s pretty intensive work. I put all my effort into MySpace and then found Facebook was the way to go.”

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Bartless: It’s dangerous stuff to be authentically individual.

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Green: My Facebook keeps popping up “You may know Joe Hockey”, I just say “Nooooooo!”.

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Peter Brent from Mumble/ANU complains debate always descends into us vs them. His students all use social media to engage.

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Green: The best debates in parliament are when the members are voting on a “conscience vote” and are free to discuss personally.

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Surtees: But people talk amongst themselves, discuss, that discussion seen by others.

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Hockey: If the meeting was about Iraq, or WorkChoices, we’d get maybe 50 people, maybe just 5.

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Hockey: he biggest public meetings I have as a member is whether to erect a mobile phone tower near a park. 400 people, very local.

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Hockey: Blogs are primarily written communication, but most people don’t communicate in writing. It’s limited.

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Green: When like German Greens you have to decide whether to bomb Belgrade or let refugees suffer, you’re a real political party.

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Green: But you’re from the Greens, how are you accounted for? You don’t have balance of power anywhere?

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… in Web 2.0 people come and make suggestins and then DEMAND they’re acted upon. How do you respond to that?

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Q: Previous panel around us or them, new media just amplification of what came before…

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Green: All voter modelling theory based on rational actor models. Better system: bring people in to discussion. Different results.

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… the quality of our democracy needs improving.

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Q; Question shouldn’t be how we use technology to campaign, but how we use tech to improve our democracy…

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Bartlett: Real potential for politicians as legislators (cf campaigners) to tap into experts in community. Good rapid way to engage

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Hockey: If you have a debate, people think you’re not listening because you’re putting your view too.

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Hockey: Most Australians feel they have good access to their politicians, 2nd highest in OECD(?) but feel politicians don’t listen.

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Hockey: But Kevin07 had to be CREATED! He’s a nerd! He’s no Obama, who has genuine charisma.

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Green: ALP trying to get into younger, internet cycles. Libs trying to get into MSN so look old fashioned.

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Green: Howard’s YouTube videos were designed to hit MSN cycles, not internet people, therefore comments locked off.

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Hockey: In Aust, members with different opinions are seen as a threat to party discipline.

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Hockey: These people are the swinging voters who don’t engage until the last minute before the election.

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Green: Only 1 in 5 used internet to get political information during last election.

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Thank you, Gentle Client, for paying the $700 you owed from February. It helps.

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Tue plan: Clear backlog on desk before spending day at Mosman client, various tasks. Evening still being negotiated. Must. Bill. Clients.

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@matthewlandauer Welcome to you too. I am overwhelmed with new peeps, will figure out how to cope later. Or not. Whew!

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@SnarkyPlatypus Yes, my theory is that if you tag ANY sentence with “said the actress the the bishop”, 1 in 3 becomes a joke.

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@garthk I concur with your assessment about remaining monthage and raise you re remaining financial yearage. “It won’t fit, Your Grace.”

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@SnarkyPlatypus “Immaterial trousers”? Nah, I’m more a Material Girl. http://is.gd/FZ8 Nyuk nyuk nyuk.

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@NathanaelB Hmmm… currently my personal brand is “telling conference panels they’re wrong” and “gin”. Trouser status hasn’t been an issue.

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@sboiling Thanks to you (and others!) for compliments re tweetage. I’ll try to rearrange my world to get them ordered soon.

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Emerges. Thursday. Exhausted. Must have alkaloids. Must present self to client this morning. Must have presentability. Must have trousers.

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Home. Dumped bag. Off to join @ApostrophePong at The Sly Fox thence…?

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90km out from Syd, be afraid.

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145km from Sydney, Richard Glover on ABC 702 is starting to shit me.

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…therefore NOT using social media is immoral.

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On radio: I don’t think you need Goe, morality comes from socialiration…

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Kelly’s WiFi run out at 8pm, we’re now online via my N80 and I’ve created my own hotspot. Such is geekery.

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@brandstaetter @codinghorror Even better, I just used Summize to search “stilgherrian -from:stilgherrian” to see what was said about me. ;)

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@kcarruthers Heaps of fun. Now have to find time to go thru tweets & turn ‘em into an essay. I hear you consort with monotremes. ;)

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Ah I’m exhausted! That was an intense day of politics and live blogging… hard work summarising and typing all at once.

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