Stilgherrian (@stilgherrian)

Wentworth Falls NSW AU

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July 12th, 2017

Right, that’s enough Wednesday for me.

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kcarruthers Fascinating insight into the current Lib internal war over the ‘soul’ of the party - from a mate on FB pic.twitter.com/C9RAJEcgam

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travisbynight @stilgherrian It’s just Belgium without the nightlife.

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FWIW, Kaspersky Lab products are used by Australia’s Dept of Prime Minister and Cabinet. computerworld.com.au/article/577666…

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Interesting read. (Also, the usual disclosure: I’ve travelled on Kaspersky’s tab, as well as on many of their compe..twitter.com/i/web/status/8…Ut

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scottygb Oh help me god pic.twitter.com/fh66uUeMc4

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scottygb I have finally tracked down old episodes of Changing Rooms. pic.twitter.com/7hpnQvyIJQ

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@dobes @zackster They have a mikko as well as a wireshark? Can you get more cyber than that?

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I’m still not clear about this iceberg situation in Luxembourg.

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@zackster @dobes OK well that’s fairly cyber but not as cyber as scrolling iptables logs.

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@zackster @dobes It’s not cyber unless someone is just mashing the keyboard at hackertyper.com.

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RealPressSecBot A statement by the President: pic.twitter.com/YxAYCWiFbg

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Gosh, I hadn’t realised the Batavia was running a packet service. pic.twitter.com/lnKMnCzRrn

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See THIS is starting to sound like a lot. twitter.com/paulkidd/statu…

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@JustJimWillDo @ResignInShame Wait. So where does Luxembourg fit into this? That’s miles away.

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This is an excellent testimonial for Luxembourg. twitter.com/MsLods/status/…

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No I think you’re getting confused. The iceberg isn’t in Luxembourg. twitter.com/ResignInShame/…

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Luxembourg sounds a bit shit to be honest.

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This is a non-standard unit of measurement and I don’t understand. How many MCGs is this? twitter.com/GrogsGamut/sta…

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shanghaiist Siblings arrested for operating illegal ultrasound business from their minivan shst.me/fb3 pic.twitter.com/tsQxNQYKwr

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A poor second to getting to pardon a turkey. twitter.com/Rob_Stott/stat…

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@ashabeeeee So 4% is about USD 1.1 billion. Not all that much really.

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BFriedmanDC Tamir Rice, age 12: “tall for his age”
Emmett Till, age 14: “looked like a man”
Trump, Jr., age 39: “an honest kid”..twitter.com/i/web/status/8…5q

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I’m guessing he meant “another couple”, understandable after the previous couple, but I still like it.

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OH: “Hey Kieran, buy a couple ‘nother jugs, Bro!” Great usage of “couple ‘nuther” there.

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@adavid Google is your friend. Even with this.

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Pro Tip: 90% of people won’t even understand the question.

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A key question to ask when presented with factoids like this is to ask how the research controlled for other variables.

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Once more blaming the people and the load time, not the shit content that’s not worth waiting for. twitter.com/Matt_Spark/sta…

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So Quentin Tarantino is doing The Silmarillion? Cool.

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While I’m sure that @algore is a smart and perhaps even delightful human being, Australia has turned the cultural cringe to 11 this week.

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AwardsDarwin Why you don’t drop lite cigarettes down holes. pic.twitter.com/sfl5wocDU5

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jimwaterson The British public gets the journalism they deserve. How did this happen. pic.twitter.com/AASlt7AGVm

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@KristinaAurelia @ireckon I’m not sure if Dunbar has been interviewed on @notsmartblog, but it’s easy to find brief accounts of his work.

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@KristinaAurelia @ireckon See also Robin Dunbar, “Grooming, Gossip, and the Evolution of Language”. Evolutionary so..twitter.com/i/web/status/8…aN

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@KristinaAurelia @ireckon We’re social mammals, hard-wired to track the connections and status of anyone we perceiv..twitter.com/i/web/status/8…jF

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HeerJeet The most hilarious outcome would be if it turns out that Louise Mensch was right about almost everything.

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Yes, you can also trap @mpesce inside a salt circle. twitter.com/posty/status/8…

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Their conversation has drifted off into speculation about intra-office affairs and ill-advised alcohol-fuelled bonking.

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“The first two years Steve was CIO,” and talk of parties. Does that help narrow it down?

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Dark fibre and Oracle. This doesn’t really narrow it down. I continue listening.

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The timing seems to depend on opening an Oracle support ticket just before midnight on a Saturday night. Sunday to Saturday logging cycle?

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There is talk of dark fibre. He gives her a form of words that will be her “get out of jail free card” for failing to deliver on deadline.

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In another place. A guy at the next table is mansplaining something to a colleague. I listen in…

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Yeah I think I’ll bail from this right now.

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A penultimate treat, “Lee Lin Chin explains our deal with your data” for @SBSOnDemand. youtube.com/watch?v=LgNpJ_… (3 min)

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garystark Well done @smh. It’s definitely one of those two options. pic.twitter.com/FndMK5txed

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… and if a SME really does need all that data, then maybe they should spend some money protecting it and on compliance.

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… but then, he says, most SMEs probably collect more data than they really need, so they just need to think it through…

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SG’s chap says the key sector objecting to data protection rules there is SMEs, who see the costs as prohibitive…

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Part 1 of 2 (and the quotes from the Facebook staffer were great). twitter.com/V_Scott15/stat…

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MalcomC It’s not a binary: trustmark good or bad. It’s the quality of standard set, assurance program & redress pathway tha..twitter.com/i/web/status/8…L5

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Stevie_Easton Brent Homan from Canada says “willingness to tick a box should not be seen as a proxy for not caring about privacy”

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MalcomC No it shouldn’t. But same data can be used to assist them. It’s the use that matters at least as much as collection..twitter.com/i/web/status/8…3u

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Ah! Mr Stephen Kai-yi Wong (HK) says they dropped the privacy mark idea ‘cos it’s already too late for such. [Check quote.]

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John Edwards says NZ is looking at not a certifying mark as such, but awards for good practice.

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Melinda Claybaugh from US FTC warns that such a mark needs regulation, e.g. no self- certifying system.

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Brent Homan, Canada, points to the consumer confusion over the proliferation of environmental marks and greenwashing.

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Singapore is thinking of some sort of trust mark for privacy practices, says Leong Keng Thai. [Note to self: follow up.]

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@ashabeeeee This tale caused jaws to drop at the conference. “Yeah nah maybe you shouldn’t bother with university,”..twitter.com/i/web/status/8…zG

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“Should big data be used to discourage poor students from university?” by @ashabeeeee zdnet.com/article/should… A yar..twitter.com/i/web/status/8…Ek

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@Davidramli @NewtonMark @MarkDiStef And only paid attention to after it’s already come into force.

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So far the panel is agreeing that both formal frameworks and informal connections help expedite cross-border investigations.

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“Let’s not murder each other now,” says @LaTrioli, reading the mood of the room with aplomb.

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The day’s final session has synergies. Global synergies. conveneit.com/secure/oaic/pr… pic.twitter.com/A7jnhVU172

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Wondering how I can pilfer a tray of those chocolate and raspberry brownies.

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wintnation Makes little difference to your recent hit piece on a skynews website.

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Things made perfect sense until I stepped out of the conference room.

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Well this is certainly a name for a sporting event..twitter.com/XHSports/statu…P5

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GreenJ useful captioning. twitter.com/historyinmomen…

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BetootaAdvocate Kings Cross Residents Complain About Noisy Deliveroo Cyclists Bringing Them Dinner: betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/…

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umairh why, when have any of those things helped us twitter.com/KamalaHarris/s…

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NickEvershed Change in the proportion of dwellings that are flats or units in Sydney, from 2006 to 2016 pic.twitter.com/2dbVPPO45n

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@SnarkyPlatypus Oh. Defending her actual point of view? Yeah I’m not up for that.

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@SnarkyPlatypus It’s a fucked-up opinion to hold, but that sort of hyperbole was ruled within codes of practice. (S..twitter.com/i/web/status/8…Sh

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@SnarkyPlatypus I’ll have a go. ACMA investigation 2674 & 2717 (Alan Jones / chaff bag), hyperbole is not incitemen..twitter.com/i/web/status/8…cX

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I haven’t read this @guardian yarn yet, but this is yet another angle to this custard pie. twitter.com/ellenbroad/sta…

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troyhunt This new reality show is hilarious… twitter.com/donaldjtrumpjr…

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Yeah I reckon that if you’ve read any of that “data is the new oil” wankery you should read this. twitter.com/stilgherrian/s…

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Mandel’s comparison chart makes a boatload of sense. pic.twitter.com/TtyiyzAupV

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This is Mandel’s policy paper: “The Economic Impact of Data: Why Data Is Not Like Oil” progressivepolicy.org/publications/e…

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@johncarneyau That’s why I said it doesn’t. :)

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Next up: Dr Michael Mandel, Progressive Policy Institute, on why data is not like oil. I like the sound of this.

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@johncarneyau Many IoT devices will be on low-power low-bandwidth links, or so They* say.

* Undefined noun.

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The idea of a consumer trust mark for IoT safety seems to be gathering momentum in US and EU as well as AU.

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See also: “How the Cyber Kangaroo can help defend the Internet of Things” (Dec 2016) zdnet.com/article/how-th…

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The real issue is whether el-cheapo IoT device have decent security testing and updates give the minuscule profit margins.

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Size of data doesn’t change with better encryption, and even top shelf encryption is on-chop these days.

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Leonard says IoT devices on a thin pipe can’t implement harder encryption, but I think that’s wrong.

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Second issue: How many players? Complex data ecosystem! E.g home security monitor, data analytics, payment processing.

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Examples: Property owner installs security, failed to tell tenant; shared households.

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Peter Leonard says IoT in a household setting means device-installer may not be the subject of data gathered.

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LaTrioli The Internet of Things. I always thought that would be a great title for a novel.

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I’m sitting in on the New Technologies breakout session, because @ashabeeeee is doing medical data…twitter.com/i/web/status/8…9s

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@jpwarren There’s a significant international contingent.

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Discussion of which countries EU considers to be “adequate”. Canada, yes. UK yes for now but maybe not after A Certain Event.

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Half of the room starts smirking. @McEvoy_Michael is filled in on the joke.

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So @McEvoy_Michael says that in Canada if govt data matching could lead to loss of benefits a human must review the decision.

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Hah!
@LaTrioli: “Would anyone want to hack Canada?”
@McEvoy_Michael: “Well, Ashley Madison is a proud Canadian company…”

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I am so not in the mood for reading EU law right now.

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@ashabeeeee Here we go. “Australia lacks understanding of EU data laws: Veritas” (28 Mar) zdnet.com/article/austra…

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OAICgov OAIC’s guidance on the for Aus businesses is on our website: oaic.gov.au/media-and-spee…

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SalingerPrivacy .@PilgrimTimothy : AU law doesn’t mandate having a Privacy Officer, but GDPR does, so orgs trading in EU need to do this now

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“Boots of Compliance.” Yes, what a useful term.

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EU GDPR fines capped at €20 million, @ashabeeeee just told me. twitter.com/Sibenco/status…

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SalingerPrivacy Noting that GDPR covers right of everyone in the EU, not just EU citizens

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@SnarkyPlatypus @formalbeer @sniff_off I asked re one many-dog exercise at Central, and it was getting boom-boom-sn..twitter.com/i/web/status/8…Mw

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@jonoabroad @LaTrioli No. @Tintenty mentioned moving EU law into the 21st century. I scoffed a little too loudly an..twitter.com/i/web/status/8…6e

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@SnarkyPlatypus @formalbeer Possibly training of newly-graduated dogs. Also, are we sure they’re anti-drug not anti-explosives?

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In trouble. @LaTrioli has just said “Shoosh, you.”

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troyhunt The more “I don’t like it because I don’t understand it” comments I get, the more true this becomes twitter.com/alfonsopinate/…

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ashabeeeee I’m fine with ‘the rich’ being targeted by charities to donate more.

Don’t @ me if your salary has 6 figures

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ICOnews ICO’s Simon Entwisle focuses on our big data, artificial intelligence & machine learning guidance at ..twitter.com/i/web/status/8…ya

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SalingerPrivacy A new profession developing: algorithmic auditing, says Entwisle. (Kids: study maths!) @Tintenty

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SalingerPrivacy Granny test = would I be comfortable if another org was using my grandparents’ data in this way? says @Tintenty

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Michtullpic.twitter.com/3BJ7OPRVVJ

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Mind you, TERRORISM EXISTENTIAL BROWN PEOPLE trumps privacy law every time.

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I like this question. I suspect the answer is “Yes”. twitter.com/Stevie_Easton/…

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Entwisle just referred to @ICOnews’ data anonymisation (de-identification) code of practice. ico.org.uk/for-organisati…

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Currently up: Simon DC Entwisle, Deputy Commissioner (Operations), Information Commissioner’s Office UK.

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ASHA HAS A COOKIE WHY DON’T I HAVE A COOKIE.

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wintnation VIDEO Parliamentary Protests - Greens need to be made Defence Minister.

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So, privacy fans, @LaTrioli reckons the EU GDPR needs a theme song to the tune of “YMCA”. So there’s that.

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jesuslopez11122 Kim, sis, you left two lines of coke in the background pic.twitter.com/fJ5wPchhVe

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Did Longstaff just ask whether Facebook tortured children to death? Did I get that right?

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wintnation My full speech on 18C if you want some hardcore shit

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RealPressSecBot A statement by the President: pic.twitter.com/73PGdRRIcA

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Cullen says, others agree, that most risk frameworks don’t properly consider the benefits. Like the GDPR.

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Oh. Just to be clear, @ashabeeeee and I are not at all planning to suffocate someone.

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Simon Longstaff has just suggested setting up an “ethical skid pad” to practice making ethical decisions.

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SalingerPrivacy qn: do public & private sector need diff rules? Longstaff: yes, govt’s compulsive power means it has a higher ethical duty

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OK so @LaTrioli just said out loud what I was thinking. It’ll all be downhill from here.

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@ashabeeeee I have a black beanie and a variety of medications.

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jpwarren All you nerds insisting that words mean things are so cute lol. twitter.com/dylanlscott/st…

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Stevie_Easton Simon Longstaff from The Ethics Centre: ethical decision making should be able to imagine side effects & unwanted outcomes

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SalingerPrivacy Longstaff: ethical review needs “a little bit of moral imagination” = place yourselves in someone else’s shoes

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Stevie_Easton Benefits of a framework for data protection based on ethics rather than compliance according to @PeterCullen_..twitter.com/i/web/status/8…s8

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[Makes note] “So, if I want tyranny…” Good tip. twitter.com/SalingerPrivac…

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Cullen referred to many of these slides. (TrustArc was formerly called TRUSTe.) slideshare.net/TrustArc/gdpr-…

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@S_Clarke22 Oh snark away! My gut feeling is that AU will get breach faster than the US ‘cos it’ll happen all at once.

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Pilgrim mentioned earlier re best practice: “Introducing the APS Privacy Code” oaic.gov.au/media-and-spee… Ping @NewtonMark.

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smiffy Stop trying to spell-check my RSA public key, you stupid programme.

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@OAICgov Thanks very much. I’d missed that one.

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I can think of few places I’d rather be. twitter.com/smurray38/stat…

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Also, “Building the airplane while flying it.” Cullen is setting the scene for a debate on a data ethic that doesn’t exist.

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Cullen on ethical data stewardship: “The train has left the station but the boxcars are empty.”

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OAICgov Peter Cullen from @iaf_org presents on ethical data stewardship pic.twitter.com/Jgii6ZND5G

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@SnarkyPlatypus Another fun thing to look up is the Fulda Gap, and how many tactical nukes would have landed in it.

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@S_Clarke22 This is a thing in AU now because we have mandatory data breach notification from Feb 2018. Fun times ahead!

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Pilgrim said Australian government will be best-practice for handling personal data. When was that commitment made, @oiacgov?

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Pilgrim cited the 2017 Australian Community Attitudes to Privacy Survey, which is at oaic.gov.au/engage-with-us…

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Pilgrim mentioned something he called “data breach resilient organisations”. There’s an idea to explore.

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Opening remarks from Australia’s Information and Privacy Commissioner, Tim Pilgrim. pic.twitter.com/RJDCYT8zw7

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@ashabeeeee Down the front, audience left.

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Well here we are then, and the media have BRIGHT YELLOW LANYARDS because privacy nerds. pic.twitter.com/ehK9vaHxMc

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The Exhibition Central has command pods for different Thunderbirds units. pic.twitter.com/pHYMOWbItr

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Approaching the new International Convention Centre Sydney for the first time. I wonder how shit it will be.

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digitalmaverick OMG this is a glorious thing of beauty & wonderment twitter.com/SouthernRailUK…

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Also interesting that the ATO seemingly does its own digital forensics, rather than call the AFP.

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@Henry_Belot Yep, a good choice. And good pointing out that the Israelis in general, and Cellebrite in particular,..twitter.com/i/web/status/8…fg

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@Henry_Belot I don’t suppose you’re going to the Cybercrime and Computer Forensics in a few days? icccf2017.com.au/program.html

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@Henry_Belot Aha! Thanks, Henry. That one slide is harmless enough, since a chat with the vendor would tell you tha..twitter.com/i/web/status/8…BW

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@Henry_Belot Was the document an actual how-to (specific step-by-step instructions), or an overview (these are the tools and capabilities)?

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That story is interesting for a variety of reasons, actually. I’m curious about one aspect of how it’s described, t..twitter.com/i/web/status/8…bF

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“ATO staffer leaks phone hacking how-to online, reveals fraud investigation tactics” abc.net.au/news/2017-07-1…

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Wed plan, draft: 0900 Data + Privacy Asia Pacific conference all day conveneit.com/secure/oaic/pr…; something not conferencey for a not; nightcap.

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Wednesday. Three shades of purple. A porpoise. A gas lamp. Wednesday.

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