Stilgherrian (@stilgherrian)

Wentworth Falls NSW AU

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July 31st, 2018

This is curiouser than it seems. I rarely use Wickr, their handle is unknown to me, and I’ve never been to Bundaber..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…cJ

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Someone on Wickr seems to have confused me with someone else. pic.twitter.com/mxIrvK8dwp

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@paulkidd @dobes I would like to see the uniform.

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dotMudge More ‘fun’ with BGP

Iran Telecommunication Company PJS (AS 58224) announcing /24 within Telegram Messenger LLP (AS..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…f0

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@DavidFeng I just think it’s a remarkable achievement in just 10 years.

But don’t worry about AU’s trains. We have..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…ID

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TheNTNews @johnmcternan DAMN! WE WERE PLANNING TO WRITE THIS STORY NEXT WEEK!

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johnmcternan Paging @TheNTNews - someone’s stealing your news twitter.com/SkyNews/status…

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@jplonie I am not responsible for marsupial mayhem.

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@NewtonMark Is that what they said? I thought it was just another policy setting.

(I have not seen source material..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…jA

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@bird2flip @JoshButler Sir, the minister IS the representative of the people..

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@dave_serious That is also a good thing, but I am not settling into a night of whisky. I have another solid day tomorrow.

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@ladyhana Yeah, though it would’ve been better if I’d had some back at my apartment. I still have to wander through..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…OT

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@NewtonMark @franksting @dobes Well, that’s the goal, obviously, but there’s a key challenge to making that happen.

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MarcherLord1 The start of the new Star Wars film looks rather gritty. pic.twitter.com/jsYkRNszAP

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JoshButler Hunt: “The amendment will ensure no record can be released to police or government agencies, for any purpose, witho..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…ji

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JoshButler 🚨 Greg Hunt announces privacy changes to My Health🚨
Says My Health Record Act laws will be changed to make sure pol..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…dt

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@franksting @dobes I don’t know this thing. Will it cheer me up?

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@franksting @dobes That’s my point. I’m also on record as saying “Four more years”.

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@iblametom @SecGuru_OTX It was officially called a nation-state attack by seven nations, with five supporting…twitter.com/i/web/status/1…iU

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onlmaps Place names in Europe you would laugh at when you were 8. dlvr.it/QdL1fH pic.twitter.com/8I7sqAUEMt

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OH: “We’re going to order after we’ve all decided what we’re going to have.” Ah, if only everyone were so clear-minded!

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@dobes Wow just saying that there sent a shiver up my spine.

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@dobes Next podcast. Definitely.

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@FarrellPF @jpwarren I wonder which of the three [?] definitions of “journalist” in legislation they’ll be using.

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@dobes Yeah I’m not saying that one aloud. Unless I already have. In which case we’re fucked.

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@Jeremy_Kirk @AusFedPolice @joshgnosis @John_F_Power I am not au fait with FOI at all. I really should fix that.

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What has Japan done to deserve this? pic.twitter.com/1Lj4ngv45j

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mpwoodhead Here’s an idea. Why not get China to operate the system? Half the cost & they’ll get their hands on..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…io

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Earlier today I wrote a cyber thing, if you’d like to read it. twitter.com/stilgherrian/s…

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naamanzhou From Rations to Ratio - The Caleb Bond Story pic.twitter.com/PyEvc1moaN

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@christopherneal Yes, @jeamland took me there one time. It was excellent. Also, he was paying, so that helped.

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@christopherneal @SnarkyPlatypus I need to get to Texas some time. I need to find someone who has a budget to get me to Texas.

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@tuo2 @Kxyne Who can truly understand the ways of shovels?

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Thank you, Jasen, yes everything going well on my end. pic.twitter.com/sXIwUD4THU

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jonkudelka To be fair, Caleb does make me feel less bad about dooming the younger generation with climate change.

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@MsLods @warkolm @SnarkyPlatypus I don’t have time for all these things!

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@therevmountain I was thinking along those lines earlier. It’s managed to maintain the classic pub vibe despite its location.

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@nickzoic @SnarkyPlatypus This is what I’d expect. I’m not sure if I have time for a lunch that long, given my meeting schedule.

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Well, maybe a small whisky after dinner.

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Tue plan, remainder: To prevent a Long Evening That I Would Inevitably Regret, shortly I shall grab some food here..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…Ps

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@NuclearAnthro @CaptKarnstein @DiogenesBub @funranium I was about to say, these don’t look canon to me. Curious, though.

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@SnarkyPlatypus Oh it might just be them then. The forensics van will be marked as such, I believe.

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I won’t go there tonight, but I see there’s a place nearby called Meatmaiden, an “offbeat basement restaurant focus..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…VW

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@SnarkyPlatypus That police van would presumably indicate a forensics team giving it all a good work-over.

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@Kxyne Clearly humans were invented by shovels to reduce their workload.

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brandonh83 I guess so pic.twitter.com/Z1dDmOnIHq

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helveticade The new Thunderbird glyph is anime hair on an envelope pic.twitter.com/d8tu57aI41

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And yet bourbon is perfect for forgetting. It’s a conundrum. twitter.com/MikeCarlton01/…

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optoutbot 76 days left to of .

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“Human plus Machine”? So, like a brickie with a wheelbarrow? An accountant with an adding machine? A dysentery pati..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…uM

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JamesFallows Said it before, say it again: the terrifying “whites outnumbered!” scenario described in this piece already happen..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…SB

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I’m really liking the current Primo TVCs.

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@MsLods That would be excellent. It looks like a great day. Dunno my timing yet.

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Watching ⁦@PointlessAU⁩ in the pub. Because I can. pic.twitter.com/DyBEJB1YT8

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@MsLods I haven’t, you know. That would have been interesting. But I’m cybering today and tomorrow.

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@GabLLB I do like these things. Noted! Thank you.

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@feraldata Oh FFS I hadn’t seen you on the program because typography. I’ll leave it with you.

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@jetztgibtshaue I am currently at one of only four pubs in the entire greater metropolitan area.

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@jetztgibtshaue There’s virtually nowhere in Melbourne to buy a drink.

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Oddly enough, I was thinking of the Sherlock Holmes, but I am having a quick pint at Young & Jackson’s while I deci..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…ZT

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So, where to have a drink? Ponders.

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Health records, you say?

Yeah I know this is a provider not a government, but the punters don’t ma..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…f1

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And now I’m loose in Melbourne. Haircut, then TGIT.

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That’s all from me for today. Thanks, everyone. More tomorrow.

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Me at @zdnetaustralia: “Avoid distractions to focus on the long cyber game: ASD chief” zd.net/2M4CcrE Cont..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…Gd

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I think “mouse for reference” is my new standard tag line. twitter.com/kemal_atlay/st…

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@James_Jeffrey I am so sick of @hughriminton’s Star Chamber hiding the Truth.

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James_Jeffrey This belongs to my favourite genre of tweets twitter.com/ClappSandra/st…

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Trolling me from stage is rapidly becoming a thing at these cyber conferences.

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Final question to panel was to name one thing organisations need to do. All said something along the lines of train..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…ZK

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Oh great. @rachael_falk is using me as an example journo emailing to say I have evidence you’ve had a data breach,..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…ST

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@spottytwit It’s a shame that Agent Orange has such a bad rep.

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Reminder from O’Driscoll: Data breach drills and responses are not just about the tech. Customer relations, marketi..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…Zb

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O’Driscoll says that the cyber industry probably uses FUD a bit too much as a motivator. Probably true.

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“All over social media.” Well that’s you done, @bengrubb. twitter.com/bengrubb/statu…

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Ingram: “Now that we’ve depressed everyone with these things, it’s only going to get worse.”

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RussianMemesLtd How am I? Why do I live? What is the meaning of life?

I’ve shitted over there. Go and clean up the mess pic.twitter.com/pvMpe6MtBA

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Mohan repeats what folks have been saying for ages: You need to have cyber response drills just like you have fire..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…zh

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@developerjack @zdnetaustralia There are no blockchains on my story. But it’s still early days.

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Warnock, however, says that SMEs are still a “major problem” in that they’re prepared to respond.

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These panellists seem to be coping with the 30-day deadline for data breach notification, but they’re stressing tha..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…Un

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Next up, a panel: “Breach Notification, The Aftermath: Response, Recovery, And Building A Robust Incident Response..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…eX

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I’m continuing to tweet from the SINET61 cybersecurity innovation conference. Program at security-innovation.org/events/melbour…. F..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…MZ

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“Private health providers called out in quarterly Australian data breach report” by @dobes zdnet.com/article/privat…..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…Xc

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@oberonsghost There must be. Though just distributed across a few garbage bags and dumped in the Adelaide Hills is also traditional.

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Story filed for @zdnetaustralia. It’s full of artificial intelligence and cybers. I feel so, so dirty.

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Just the one, I think. You know who I mean. twitter.com/GreenJ/status/…

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@BXGD Helen is a good name for a shark.

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@rycrozier Thanks for those kind words. But yeah, I’ve been down in the cyber diplomacy rabbit-hole, and there’s a..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…ty

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snurbbotinfo Here’s how you don’t get it: Bishop calls for Fortean Zoology, which I assume is sending sciencey re-tweets, a few..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…kH

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I too would like to meet the people. This is bold work. twitter.com/ksatnews/statu…

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That’s the end of that panel. I’m now heading to another part of the hotel to get some writing done.

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y011 Listening to some panelists from mostly giant companies discuss how they can help small specialist infosec business..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…TV

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The problem here, says Lautenbach, is that we don’t have a societal norm for cybersecurity (yet), whereas we do for..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…gq

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The discussion turns to regulation. Lautenbach says we do this well in with safety, and product recalls exist. But..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…Rw

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@dobes Makes a change from cyberchafing.

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Uren asks if we need a “Slip, Slop Slap of Cybersecurity”. Lautenbach likes this idea, thinks it “could be really p..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…sJ

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@BXGD It was more than just Australia. This is an actual diplomatic thing, apparently. zdnet.com/article/blamin…

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(Yes, yes, I know, quantum is actually really small. Don’t @ me.)

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There was also a passing mention fo quantum computing. I suspect the entire industry needs to be across the implica..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…6Q

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Illuz is talking about supply chains security. This implication of what he says is that concerns like Huawei in AU..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…Dj

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@rycrozier I would assume so. Feakin has been hammering the messages. But then that’s kinda what diplomacy is about, I guess.

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@PaulMcEwan6 @jpwarren A wire brush is what’s really required.

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Tom Uren spices it up. We have a “clash of civilisations”, he says, with nation states focusing on technology that..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…1j

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Discussion so far is a bit general, though the hyper-convergence and IoT and smart cars and medical stuff is all getting a mention.

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This is efficient work. If only all conference speakers were this fast! twitter.com/MikePBurgess/s…

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Well this comes as an enormous surprise… twitter.com/thehill/status…

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Next up for me: “What Are the Next Generation of Cyber Threats on the Horizon?” At least the moderator has apologi..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…wQ

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Feakin says we CAN attribute cyber attacks to varying degrees. AU’s foreign minister Julie Bishop said this very th..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…is

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Feakin says Australia will be publishing some stuff about international law in the cybers in the coming months. “Wo..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…iB

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My latest on this stuff, including links to the “11 norms” just cited: “Blaming Russia for NotPetya was coordinated..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…gg

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Feakin is repeating much of the existing messaging about international norms, but says this stuff has to be repeate..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…D9

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Technology 4.0 meets diplomacy 1.0, where presenting credentials is still done with horses. (This photo is fake new..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…MD

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Feakin starts by acknowledging Johanna Weaver, Director of Cyber Policy at DFAT. (At least he followed Burgess’ lead, eh?)

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Next up: Dr Tobias Feakin @TFeakin, Australian Ambassador for Cyber Affairs @AusAmbCyber.

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stephendziedzic Big news. Australia, Japan and the US announce a new regional regional infrastructure scheme. Not stated, but the..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…Us

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Mohan Koo says startups shouldn’t waste time talking to every single possible customer, or try to please everyone,..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…tp

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Good point from Optus’ Stuart Mott: Startups need to address the risk to customers of not being around in 12 months..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…CV

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CLARIFICATION. Thanks for this, Mike. (But I’ll still check the recording for the exact quote.) twitter.com/MikePBurgess/s…

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Craig Templeton says ALL vendors are in the Tragic Quadrant. twitter.com/rachael_falk/s…

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danilic The new fragrance from Mitch Fifield pic.twitter.com/y7EMBK6Wik

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I agree with @MikePBurgess here. I won’t tweet much from this panel, but there’s some reinforcing comments on AI a..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…yR

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Note gender balance here. Apparently one-third of the attendees here today are women. This is a good sign.

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Next, a panel: “Closing the Gap Between Buyers and Entrepreneurs – Moving From A CISO’s Nice to Have List – To A twitter.com/i/web/status/1…Pkw3Ue

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Burgess says an ASD hunt team in an organisation found that a compromised network was not seriously breached becaus..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…EZ

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Burgess says organisations need to think ahead a few years, not just six months or the next purchase. Don”t get cau..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…6k

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So far most of Burgess’ comments echo the ASD Corporate Plan published at the beginning of July. asd.gov.au/publications/p…

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I will tweet the names just cited when I check my recording later. I don’t want to get them wrong.

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Mike has set a challenge: For all speakers, especially men, to publicly acknowledge the women who are doing excelle..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…8J

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Next up: @MikePBurgess, Director-General of the Australian Signals Directorate.

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@AustCyber AU can integrate better with the private
cybersecurity sector, says Taylor, The UK’s truster partner m..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…Sg

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The most important part of the 2016 Cyber Security Strategy was the formation fo @AustCyber, says Taylor. It’s not..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…te

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“Gateway providers” are not as integrated into Australia’s cyber defences as government would like, says Taylor. Fi..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…Lj

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Typo. That should be “The only person who knows more”, of course. twitter.com/stilgherrian/s…

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@OAICgov Taylor talks up the new ACSC structure and mission in terms of “active defence”. [Note to self: Check what..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…1X

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Taylor cites the @OAICgov Notifiable Data Breaches second Quarterly report, released today. oaic.gov.au/media-and-spee…..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…KJ

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Taylor says that Australia will continue to publicly attribute cyber attacks, as they’ve already done with North Ko..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…jG

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“The only person why knows more about cybersecurity [in government] is the prime minister,” says Taylor, so he’s un..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…xZ

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Other than that, so far this is a standard “The cybers are serious” set-piece.

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Taylor says that attacking money laundering networks is a real focus at the moment.

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Taylor is talking about the cybers in terms of having clean drinking water, so having a clean internet. [It’s a ser..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…bi

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OK, we’re up and running. First keynote is Angus Taylor MP, Minister for Law Enforcement and Cybersecurity.

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@CARROT_app I’m going with the iron maiden. I don’t like hot weather.

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@joelpmichael I didn’t pay enough attention, sorry.

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@timpoliti @KKeneally Sadly no. From memory it was about $25k.

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These guys seriously need a better hand model. twitter.com/Stratfor/statu…

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I’ll be tweeting from the SINET61 cybersecurity innovation conference all day. Program at security-innovation.org/events/melbour…twitter.com/i/web/status/1…jQ

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Tue plan, confirmed: 0830 SINET61 conference all day security-innovation.org/events/melbour…; evening TBA, but it’ll probably invol..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…qx

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@DavidFeng State law and city council regulations require all visitors to photograph this building. pic.twitter.com/dQTBRqm28r

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Creating a metro station, Swanston Street, Melbourne. Attn: @DavidFeng. pic.twitter.com/JENS98PTDm

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@BrisVegian @KKeneally I can’t speak for public service norms, but certainly most places I’ve worked shifting funds..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…dm

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Much as I like this image, I will ask @dobes to fix the typo. This is what I get for editing a story on the bus. twitter.com/davispg/status…

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@KKeneally * “either managed or been on the board of”

One time included discovering an, um, audit irregularity, an..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…KB

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Just thinking about this @KKeneally tweet in particular. This is not how you do government funding. Trust me, I’ve..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…Tr

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I get the feeling that Labor MPs can smell blood in the water, and it’s not theirs.

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JasonClareMP Sounds like 🎩 won’t lead a party that isn’t as committed to giving the big banks a tax cut as he is pic.twitter.com/qzM98Wa8DW

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nancywyuen “Six Chinese guys made it off the Titanic alive, and 24 hours later were written out of the story. That wasn’t an a..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…Y3

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@mattdasilva @KKeneally Sure, but you can presumably hedge for that. Not that I know about these things.

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It’s a Melbourne day starting soon, and as usual ⁦@CARROT_app⁩ has all the important questions. pic.twitter.com/3mBgrbu25k

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natecochrane Liberal grooming
1. Ident kids from ‘royal’ families at elitist schools
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3. Enrol Yo..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…RH

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TheOnion Giuliani Insists Breaking The Law Not A Crime trib.al/6vMNHHC pic.twitter.com/3NLZJwijDV

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Re this thread from Senator @KKeneally, um, look, I don’t know a lot about finance, but surely there’s better ways..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…3F

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KKeneally For more details - please see my other tweets from today. More work to come for the Inquiry, no doubt.
We heard t..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…oX

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KKeneally This an extraordinary situation – a private charity financially supported by mining firms, big banks and the BCA hatwitter.com/i/web/status/1…xmDg

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KKeneally In their testimony, the GBRF took on notice questions about these term deposits, also about
-how much of their fun..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…DW

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KKeneally The Govt gave 6 years of funding - $444m - in one hit to the GBRF on 30 June 2018 without a final agreement with al..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…Pe

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KKeneally In Estimates on 21 May, Minister Birmingham claimed that the Govt had conducted due diligence on GBRF. Today the..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…rz

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KKeneally In Senate Estimates 21 May - Mr. Pratt seemed to suggest the GBRF approached the government for funding. Today the..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…iP

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KKeneally Ms Marsden said that Prime Minister Turnbull, Minister Frydenberg & Dept Secretary Pratt personally met with GBRF C..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…3H

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KKeneally We now know for certain that this grant was not solicited by the GBRF. This was confirmed by the MD of GBRF Anna Marsden.

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KKeneally To summarise today’s Senate Inquiry hearings into the Turnbull Govt’s decision to award $444m to the Great Barrier..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…RE

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“A surgeon’s very real concerns about My Health Record” womensagenda.com.au/uncategorised/…

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SavedYouAClick sorry but you guys are on your own with this one twitter.com/thehill/status…

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@ashabeeeee I love the idea of naming a project Making IT Work For You.

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“Transport for NSW denies IT project cost blowouts” by @ashabeeeee zdnet.com/article/transp… “The state government ex..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…bP

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Tue plan, draft: 0830 SINET61 conference all day security-innovation.org/events/melbour…; evening TBA, but it’ll probably involve s..twitter.com/i/web/status/1…57

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Me at @zdnetaustralia Monday: “Canberra still in denial over My Health Record concerns” zdnet.com/article/canber…

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Tuesday. Have notches been cut into the tree? If not, why not? Tuesday.

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