Stilgherrian (@stilgherrian)

Wentworth Falls NSW AU

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February 14th, 2009

@julie_posetti But, I think you think (correct me?) the people must change to fit the law. I posit that the law may need re-examining.

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@julie_posetti The reality is that most people are NOT so equipped. So, do we hit them with the Law, or does the law adapt?

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@julie_posetti Curiously, “need to be responsible citizens mindful of social/legal issues” comes back to my anger at the lynch mob earlier.

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@barrysaunders This is too hard in 140-character bursts. Maybe I need to start my “Urgent Squawk” programs with this issue. ;)

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@cpanczak I think a PM’s role is to uphold and support the criminal justice system, not pander to the mob. A tough gig.

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@cpanczak I think Rudd’s comments re “mass murder” pre-judge the intent and fuel mob revenge mentality, tho understand how he must’ve felt.

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I feel that “trained journalists” want to force everyone into their frame. But the law needs to reflect the reality of the possibilities.

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@barrysaunders Previously only “trained professions” could spread their messages globally. Now anyone can. Expect them all to do a B Comm?

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@barrysaunders Not a stupid question at all! Goes to the heart of how hyperconnected comms are changing the world…

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RT @wraptinweb: I feel you’re being unreasonable here. If one kills the wrong person, there’s still the option to go back and lynch another.

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@nicsuzor Oh @julie_posetti &a@barrysaundersders are just frustrated, feeling constrained, so they want to restrict everyone else too. ;)

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@barrysaunders @julie_posetti (That is, what do OTHER reasonable Twitter users think about this? What’s in their minds as they write?)

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@julie_posetti @barrysaunders Yes, but does anyone WITHOUT pro training in the specific craft of Journalism agree with this? That’s my Q.

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RT @RickyMaveety: Actually “manslaughter” is much the same thing here in US. Second degree murder does imply intent, just not premeditation.

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@julie_posetti I’d suspect that most Twitter users would imagine they’re just talking with friends. Indeed, they’re labelled “friends”.

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@julie_posetti I’m also curious whether the law is still appropriate. Does a “reasonable person” using Twitter think they’re “publishing”?

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@tomatom Agreed, Rudd’s instant reaction of “disgust” to the Bill Henson photos smacked of pandering to talkback radio.

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@deswalsh Oops, I didn’t see a joke there. Mind you, I have rather blinding pain at the moment and I may be humour-deficient.

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My question for @PeterBlackQUT is how much the police need to be able to pull someone in, like “reason to believe”?

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@monnie @deswalsh No, my question is what I want. “Proof beyond reasonable doubt” is what the COURT needs to find someone guilty.

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@nwjerseyliz I’m surprised I didn’t get more flak for my Crikey piece “Twitter: enabling the new global rubberneckers” http://is.gd/j7mN

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@PeterBlackQUT What’s the phrase describing how much evidence police need to charge someone with a crime?

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@nwjerseyliz It’s easy for me to speak up 1000km from the fires, with no-one I know affected (afaik). But if I were in those tiny towns…?

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That raises the discussion (again) of whether Twitter is “publication” and whether comments can prejudice a trial. Gossip spreads fast now.

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@samotage @wolfcat Indeed, as a “properly trained media pro” I know well the use of “alleged” and what can and can’t be said in media.

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@mands_syd There may be enough evidence to charge (and get into custody before lynching), then a longer time to gather evidence to “prove”.

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I thought PM Rudd’s comment about “mass murder” the other day, while understandable given his emotional state, was very, very wrong.

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@wolfcat Indeed, I’m astounded that even when not angry people forget that “charged” is a couple steps short of “guilty”.

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There’s often confusion in Australia ‘cos what we call “manslaughter” (causing death without intent) is “second degree murder” in US TV.

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@middleclassgirl I believe a Facebook lynch mob group formed Monday. The baying mob is quick to respond. Mitre 10 report run on pitchforks.

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@RickyMaveety Oh I know people say/do that to make themselves feel better. There’s probably some deep need to lash out. Selfish, IMO.

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Yes, let’s just throw out all the things which make us civilised, like a criminal justice system, because we’re angry. Fucking disgusted.

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@margb1509 You’ve ALREADY decide that there was criminal intent (i.e. proven murder) not manslaughter? You know this HOW?

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@margb1509 So, you’ve ALREADY decided that someone being charged for a DIFFERENT fire is guilty? BEFORE a trial?

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Dear Universe, “justice” does not mean “mindless revenge against the nearest person who may look like he’s possibly guilty” kthxbai.

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@margb1509 You HOPE the lynch mob get him? For starting a DIFFERENT fire? BEFORE a fair trial? Guilty until proven dead, eh? Ah, Justice!

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RT @SnarkyPlatypus: Random brilliant cover version idea: The Veronicas doing “I Touch Myself”… video in my brain… amazingly disturbing.

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@SnarkyPlatypus The Sly Fox on Wed night isn’t so much preparation for The Veronicas but a special new layer of Hell. Wanna go?

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RT @marclehmann: if humans stopped borrowing as much money they could easily drop back to a 4 day week and employment would get a nice jump.

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@JulieBishop Wait! Your bio says “Fake Deputy Leader Of The Opposition”. That means you really ARE Julie Bishop! Wow. Dinner tomorrow night?

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RT @crazybrave: @SnarkyPlatypus will you slay them with your superpowers or morph and make ladylove to them?

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@SnarkyPlatypus Well that’s all well and good for YOU, but how will *I* get into the right mood for The Veronicas on Thursday night?

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@trib No, I MUST INSIST, and put this on the record again: It would be very naughty to hack roadside signs in that way. Very. Naughty.

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@oliyoung No, you should NEVER hack roadside signs using the technique at http://is.gd/gOL7 because it would be funn… um, naughty.

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@CatrionaPollard The other day I was explaining to @ApostrophePong the cultural importance of the Yates Garden Guide. http://is.gd/jvi6

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@kcarruthers You need to be following @fuckyoupenguin … or just RSS the blog. ;)

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RT @CatrionaPollard: Watching Gardening Australia and wishing I had a garden. [Doesn’t that make it Garden Pr0n?]

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@JulieBishop Ooooooooh gosh, welcome to Twitter, Ms Bishop! May I offer you an absinthe?

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@PeterBlackQUT Ah! @TurnbullMalcolm can think anything, even impossible things, if he tries really, really hard. Is he the White Queen?

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RT @theinquisitr: “Blackwater changing its name to Xe. It’s pronounced Zee, as in Na-zi.” http://tinyurl.com/cq8pjz

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@rvowles Ah, yes… @smh_multimedia… Last tweet 6 Feb. Oh, last SMH Multimedia page update 6 Feb. http://is.gd/juDr Have they been axed?

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Speaking of Fairfax & Twitter, http://is.gd/jfbt was lazy. Didn’t look@stephenfrynfry’s current follower count? Twitter’s start date? Slack!

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Ah, NEWS.com.au starts yet another Twitter stream! @Business_Owner Now, does Fairfax have any Twitter feeds? Pointers anyone?

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@franksting Yes, t’was a long and many-varied convo this morn. For me, the angle is: Things are REALLY changing. We may need to change LOTS.

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RT @StephenKelly: Why do people say I will call you on my iPhone - rather than phone? [Um, because they’re wankers?]

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RT @PeterBlackQUT: Generally police can arrest a person where officer “suspects on reasonable grounds” that person has committed a felony.

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@micberryman Thanks. I enjoyed doing the liveblog. Not sure if my cynicism in the afternoon was tiredness or the presenters tho.

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@MattPovey Ah, love those linguistic differences! For me, “Deal!” would be accepting whatever agreement (a deal) we’d just made.

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@anthonybaxter Yes, I did use the word “hyperconnectedness” on “Stilgherrian Live”. I may even do so again. Cope. :P

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RT @GeorgeDearing: What is the capital of Iceland? Answer: $25 Courtesy of Tom Friedman, NY Times (via @joewehr)

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@jmacmullin Well met at ! The Politics & Technology Forum with @JoeTripp@TurnbullMalcolmcolm & Lindsay Tanner is http://is.gd/hCkF

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@LexyBrooks Indeed. There’s key diffs between talking about work/business on Twitter and “just” plugging your stuff. Is it “being human”?

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Does @hamishanddandy count as a real person or a marketing droid? They’re real people, just sort of conjoined as a brand.

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@middleclassgirl The “Stilgherrian Live Road Trip” to Yass is Wed 25 Feb. During the day, though. Beats “Days of Our Lives”, I suppose.

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Oh well, I already wrote about who I follow back at http://is.gd/hLw8

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RT @grum: If only you could experience a… chunk of my… cheese. [It’s all in the editing.]

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I have 31 new Twitter followers overnight to check out now. Poll open for how many of them are spammers, MLMs, dodgy SEOs or other lowlife.

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@JonoH Some people actually like “men with mustaches” I am not one of them, and I gather neither are you?

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@julie_posetti Oh. That was a comment about academic salaries, not, um… oh… fuck it!

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@julie_posetti You know, if your house really were a brothel you could probably significantly improve your income. ;) [ducks]

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@Nickhodge Let “journalists” imagine they bear the flame of Bringing Truth: it helps them deal with the fact most people despise them.

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@Nickhodge “Journalist” is a specific job title for a particular cog-in-wheel task in the media-factories which make newspapers/TV/radio.

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@julie_posetti My love of good hoaxes tempts me to run a massive rumour thru Twitter, but I fear to do it. It’d be WAY too easy.

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RT @firstdogonmoon: We could all be whales instead. Grrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmooooooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

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@julie_posetti I wasn’t flagging the lynch mob as a Twitter thing. There are [gasp!] 4999 our of 5000 Australians NOT using Twitter.

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RT @Nickhodge: Before newspapers were ‘invented’, what did the journalists do? [A: They just did the drinking alcohol part?]

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(I should mention that all this discussion is resulting in a remarkably clean kitchen… not. Ahem.)

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More seriously, if we have lynch mobs and nasty rumour-mongering which we don’t want, current methods have failed. So how to we improve it?

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@julie_posetti Um, “basic human decency”? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!1!!1! Ah, sorry, but have you watched “Today Tonight”? ;)

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@julie_posetti @barrysaunders Australia already has some of world’s toughest anti-defamation laws. Yet the problem still exists. FAIL! ;)

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@julie_posetti Ah yes, anti-Muslim lynch mob on daft terrorist rumours. So, how do we deal with that as a society? Sue them all? Unworkable!

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@obliviousgeek Getting an iPhone? Get the spare battery so at 3pm you can swap it in and… oh. Wait. Sorry. ;)

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RT @Nickhodge (and @jeffsonstein): I thought the PM’s job was to get re-elected. [Yes, true, my mistake. I am naive.]

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@kcarruthers @facibus Yes, apparently Hitler was delightful with children too. Once you got to know him, as you say.

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@facibus Oh noes! Don’t follow @kcarruthers! She is EVIL! PURE EVIL!

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The Onion: “Girl Would Be Terrified If She Knew Teacher Had Crush On Her Too” http://is.gd/jxji [Ah, Valentine’s Day!]

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Dear Westpac, when I do my banking I’d like reassurance that you handle money responsible. Flogging iTunes gift cards doesn’t do that.

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@JulieBishop @SnarkyPlatypus Belphegor has a song called “Bondage Goat Zombie” http://is.gd/jy36 I thought you should know.

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@SnarkyPlatypus Of COURSE I’ll liveblog it. At least I won’t Twitpic it, unlike @ApostrophePong and his morning ablutions.

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http://gopproblemsolver…. solves any problem you have: the Republican way. That’s right, *any* problem. Hat-tip @jayrosen_nyu.

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@middleclassgirl @SnarkyPlatypus I’ve decided to relive my childhood. All of it. Next weekend.

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“Too much Bass Guattari”… “Deleuze on the Street”, that sort of thing.

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@JonoH “Meta Meta” sounds like a good name for some faggy Melbourne art-school band. All their songs are named after French social critics.

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@franksting It’s even better hat it’s an announcement of a pending media release about a launch. FFS, just DO it!

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@franksting Huh? So http://is.gd/jxWE is an announcement that a media release will soon be issued? That’s just a tad too meta for me.

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Sun plan: AM potter & read & write; PM gym &@SnarkyPlatypusarkyPlat@wolfcat00+ @wolfcat & fans at K@HappySingerng; @HappySinger performs.

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@thomascook I see you’ve got @Politics4All going at http://politics4all.com/ … I’ll be interested to see how you handle Australia!

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@franksting Shhh! Didn’t you know? “PC World” is really run out of Cupertino as one of Steve Job’s mind-control projects. ;)

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@trib I try not to read too many comments by Apple or MSFT fanboys, they get a tad tedious and obvious… no nuance, uninformed etc.

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PC World: “10 Ways Microsoft’s Retail Stores Will Differ From Apple Stores” http://is.gd/jqQt [Mildly amusing, if clichéd.]

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@hopeinhell I think the 3yo would be louder than both the thrash metal band and the aircraft. I’d be a lousy parent.

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Wondering why the Wikipedia page for “tentacle rape” http://is.gd/g84i is open in my web browser, and remembering it’s for a Crikey story.

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@SnarkyPlatypus Bonjoir. Je me réjouis de Les Veronicas, mais ennuyé avec les chats et Qantas. Ils sont tous trop de bruit dans la chambre.

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NYTimes.com “Microsoft Plans to Open Retail Stores” http://is.gd/jxMg

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Emerges. Cats and heavy jets make the same amount of noise.

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@SnarkyPlatypus Given they’re twins, the whole parallel speech thing. That and going to the shops in their pyjamas. And the merkin ref.

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“Rove Live” interview with The Veronicas from 2 years ago. Disturbing. http://is.gd/jvB8

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@firstdogonmoon Bah! Allegations of inappropriate behaviour in a (semi-)public place never did Alan Jones any (lasting) harm. :P

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@lozz @exocetau @ViciousPotato @bengrubb Yes, yes, serious embarrassing upfuckage. Now, can we move on? :P

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@BeauGiles Errr, oops, yes. I retract my offers, given that I have just read your “About page”. Ahem. A follow-back is done.

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@BeauGiles The OS X version of ssh worked with the parameters in the “wrong” order. All’s good.

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@BeauGiles Oh thank you! Your recipe worked. Conroy’s Rabbit-Proof Firewall broken in 60 seconds. I owe you a beer and/or alleyway sex.

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@BeauGiles I think SSH tunnel / SOCKS proxy in Firefox makes sense. May I subscribe to your newsletter? Now I just need a recipe. I’m rusty.

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@LarryHudson And with Hotspot Shield I’d be sending my data through who, exactly? :) Nah, prefer to use my own boxes.

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@BeauGiles I think I’d rather use Squid so I can set it up for multiple users.

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@BeauGiles Thank you, yes! Install Firefox on the remote box, X on my Mac, done. Yes? Except I’d need Flash for Linux to stream vid. Slow?

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Completely unrelated point: All episodes of the 1960s series “The Prisoner” can be viewed for free at http://is.gd/eLZH but it’s geoblocked.

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@SnarkyPlatypus Maybe we should have a Jessica Simpson Awful Cover Version spot on “Stilgherrian Live”.

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Dear Twitterverse, I have a Linux box in US data centre. Need quick recipe for Squid so I can have a US IP address.

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@SnarkyPlatypus “Memory Gaps R Us”, thats my new ultra-excellent business idea. Sort of a reverse “Total Recall”.

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One of the best adverts showing in : Martin Scorsese directs a faux Hitchcock movie! WIN! http://is.gd/g38b

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